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OT, it's useful sometimes, but is outline legal? I mean, whatever the purpose it looks like stealing somebody's else content.

by comboy 8y ago

tyingq 8y ago
I always wondered how Pinterest skirted this issue.
- freehunter 8y ago
  Pinterest says "don't upload things you don't own" and when a copyright holder complains they take it down. So is it legal for Outline to offer this service? Sure, if they comply. Is it legal for users to use it like this? Probably not.
  - tux1968 8y ago
    Since you're in the mood to speculate on legal matters, in which legal jurisdiction is it likely illegal for users to do this? All of them? What if you're sailing in international waters at the time of your post?
    - alain94040 8y ago
      What flag does your boat fly? http://www.hri.org/docs/LOS/part7-1a.html http://www.hri.org/docs/LOS/part7-1a.html
    - tzs 8y ago
      As a first approximation, I'd guess the 176 countries or other entities [1] that are parties to the Berne Convention. Parties can have exceptions and limitations to the rights from Berne, so it is not necessarily illegal in all of them, but I'd expect it is in a large fraction of them. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention#/media/File:Berne_Convention_signatories.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention#/media/File:B...
  - nurino 8y ago
    Outline has a DMCA link...
fouc 8y ago
how come no one complains when it's an archive.is/ link?
- tyingq 8y ago
  Iceland based hosting is often suggested for sites with potential copyright issues because of their freedom of speech laws. No idea if that's actually true, but it is used as a selling point. See https://www.orangewebsite.com/articles/freedom-of-speech-amendment/ https://www.orangewebsite.com/articles/freedom-of-speech-ame... for one example.
- deleted 8y ago
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drb91 8y ago
DMCA Safe Harbor is the term you’re looking for.
Guest9812398 8y ago
"Outline is for reading pages that: * you own the rights to, * is in the public domain, * constitutes fair use, or * you have consent of the copyright holder." They claim their site is for the above, and people can submit a notice to have content removed that doesn't fit that description. However, the reality is they want people to post and share content from other sites, and they'll happily remove their advertising, and add their own. I searched site:outline.com on Google, because I wanted to see for myself what people are sharing, and if I might be mistaken. The first result was this article... https://www.outline.com/vF4aGL https://www.outline.com/vF4aGL The source is The Free Thought Project. Hmm, I thought maybe this is some type of public domain news source, so I visit them. Nope, they're not. When I visited The Free Thought Project, I instantly get a popup saying, "Thanks to a coordinated attack on independent media by the establishment, this website is at risk of shutting down due to our ads being pulled and our social media pages entirely deleted. We need your help to survive, click below to see how you can make sure we stay around." This is the first Google result for an Outline article, and the company being stolen from has a popup that literally says they're struggling to stay afloat. I haven't previously heard of Outline, but that is definitely a disgusting business model.
JumpCrisscross 8y ago
Almost every comment by this user is a shortened link [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=neonate https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=neonate

OT, it's useful sometimes, but is outline legal? I mean, whatever the purpose it looks like stealing somebody's else content.

by comboy 8y ago

OT, it's useful sometimes, but is outline legal? I mean, whatever the purpose it looks like stealing somebody's else content.

tyingq 8y ago

I always wondered how Pinterest skirted this issue.

freehunter 8y ago
Pinterest says "don't upload things you don't own" and when a copyright holder complains they take it down. So is it legal for Outline to offer this service? Sure, if they comply. Is it legal for users to use it like this? Probably not.
- tux1968 8y ago
  Since you're in the mood to speculate on legal matters, in which legal jurisdiction is it likely illegal for users to do this? All of them? What if you're sailing in international waters at the time of your post?
  - alain94040 8y ago
    What flag does your boat fly? http://www.hri.org/docs/LOS/part7-1a.html http://www.hri.org/docs/LOS/part7-1a.html
  - tzs 8y ago
    As a first approximation, I'd guess the 176 countries or other entities [1] that are parties to the Berne Convention. Parties can have exceptions and limitations to the rights from Berne, so it is not necessarily illegal in all of them, but I'd expect it is in a large fraction of them. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention#/media/File:Berne_Convention_signatories.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention#/media/File:B...
- nurino 8y ago
  Outline has a DMCA link...

fouc 8y ago

how come no one complains when it's an archive.is/ link?

tyingq 8y ago
Iceland based hosting is often suggested for sites with potential copyright issues because of their freedom of speech laws. No idea if that's actually true, but it is used as a selling point. See https://www.orangewebsite.com/articles/freedom-of-speech-amendment/ https://www.orangewebsite.com/articles/freedom-of-speech-ame... for one example.
deleted 8y ago
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drb91 8y ago

DMCA Safe Harbor is the term you’re looking for.

Guest9812398 8y ago

"Outline is for reading pages that: * you own the rights to, * is in the public domain, * constitutes fair use, or * you have consent of the copyright holder." They claim their site is for the above, and people can submit a notice to have content removed that doesn't fit that description. However, the reality is they want people to post and share content from other sites, and they'll happily remove their advertising, and add their own. I searched site:outline.com on Google, because I wanted to see for myself what people are sharing, and if I might be mistaken. The first result was this article... https://www.outline.com/vF4aGL https://www.outline.com/vF4aGL The source is The Free Thought Project. Hmm, I thought maybe this is some type of public domain news source, so I visit them. Nope, they're not. When I visited The Free Thought Project, I instantly get a popup saying, "Thanks to a coordinated attack on independent media by the establishment, this website is at risk of shutting down due to our ads being pulled and our social media pages entirely deleted. We need your help to survive, click below to see how you can make sure we stay around." This is the first Google result for an Outline article, and the company being stolen from has a popup that literally says they're struggling to stay afloat. I haven't previously heard of Outline, but that is definitely a disgusting business model.

JumpCrisscross 8y ago

Almost every comment by this user is a shortened link [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=neonate https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=neonate