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I've got to disagree. I believe making diversity a goal is a misguided effort and it has nothing to do with kind communication guidelines. RMS mentioned that

by xedrac 8y ago

I've got to disagree. I believe making diversity a goal is a misguided effort and it has nothing to do with kind communication guidelines. RMS mentioned that Code of Conducts are punitive in nature and don't inspire people to do better than the rules require. I would add that they create a somewhat "ominous" or "heavy" atmosphere, making for a less playful and creative environment. People respond to requests better than demands.

anon4738383 8y ago
What does "diversity" look like? (IHNFC) What sort of "equality" (as opposed to equity) does it impose? (ie closing of men's sports programs) It seems like either path goes down the road of victimhood hierarchy, SJWs and discrimination due to identity politics while ignoring merit of substance. Count me out of that crybully nonsense.
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emacsen 8y ago
> I believe making diversity a goal is a misguided effort and it has nothing to do with kind communication guidelines. If you're speaking on behalf of yourself, or one project, that's fine, but RMS is in a very special situation of being both the father of the Free Software movement, and the leader of the GNU project, so what he says has more gravitas. > I would add that they create a somewhat "ominous" or "heavy" atmosphere, making for a less playful and creative environment. For you, but what you may find playful may be the thing that keeps someone feeling oppressed and keeps them away.
- xedrac 8y ago
  > but RMS is in a very special situation of being both the father of the Free Software movement, and the leader of the GNU project, so what he says has more gravitas All the more reason to respect his wisdom on the matter. > For you, but what you may find playful may be the thing that keeps someone feeling oppressed and keeps them away. I think we can agree we don't want to oppress anyone. To me it's the difference between using fear of punishment to motivate, and working with human nature to inspire. I really enjoyed the book "Nonviolent Communication" by Marshall B. Rosenberg, Phd. It cuts to the core of this debate.

by xedrac 8y ago

anon4738383 8y ago

What does "diversity" look like? (IHNFC) What sort of "equality" (as opposed to equity) does it impose? (ie closing of men's sports programs) It seems like either path goes down the road of victimhood hierarchy, SJWs and discrimination due to identity politics while ignoring merit of substance. Count me out of that crybully nonsense.

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emacsen 8y ago

> I believe making diversity a goal is a misguided effort and it has nothing to do with kind communication guidelines. If you're speaking on behalf of yourself, or one project, that's fine, but RMS is in a very special situation of being both the father of the Free Software movement, and the leader of the GNU project, so what he says has more gravitas. > I would add that they create a somewhat "ominous" or "heavy" atmosphere, making for a less playful and creative environment. For you, but what you may find playful may be the thing that keeps someone feeling oppressed and keeps them away.

xedrac 8y ago
> but RMS is in a very special situation of being both the father of the Free Software movement, and the leader of the GNU project, so what he says has more gravitas All the more reason to respect his wisdom on the matter. > For you, but what you may find playful may be the thing that keeps someone feeling oppressed and keeps them away. I think we can agree we don't want to oppress anyone. To me it's the difference between using fear of punishment to motivate, and working with human nature to inspire. I really enjoyed the book "Nonviolent Communication" by Marshall B. Rosenberg, Phd. It cuts to the core of this debate.