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> Since reCAPTCHA v3 doesn't interrupt users, we recommend adding reCAPTCHA v3 to multiple pages. Frictionless user interfaces arr great, but could this be a p

by keehun 8y ago

> Since reCAPTCHA v3 doesn't interrupt users, we recommend adding reCAPTCHA v3 to multiple pages. Frictionless user interfaces arr great, but could this be a ploy to get websites to add Google-property tracking JS on more pages?

candiodari 8y ago
... in trade for a valuable service. I mean, you must hate cloud software if you've got problems with this. Surprise ! Almost all software, from steam to windows, to fusion360, to fastmail, to github, office, ... is cloud software. Just naming some random examples. All have the same problem, most without providing any service (hat off to fastmail and github though, who provide service, like Google, in trade for cloud. And poeh ! to MS, for having office be cloud software for no good reason whatsoever)
- keehun 8y ago
  I was just pointing out the fact that reCaptcha v2 was only on a few pages by design, and now Google wants us to put it on many pages. It's fundamentally changed its purpose from being a gatekeeper of spam/abuse on forms to a "Citizen Score" reporting "agency". I won't even engage with your troll-like point that I must hate cloud software.
- majewsky 8y ago
  It's still deceptive. German contract law has the notion of "unexpected clauses", especially for terms of services. Certain ToS clauses have been invalidated by courts even if the customer agrees to the contract that includes those ToS, because the clauses have been deemed "too unexpected". The basic idea is that people should not be expected to read the entire ToS before agreeing to them. To me, this is sort of the same: When I visit github.com, my mental model says that GitHub will know about this and be able to run scripts in my browser. However, it would be "unexpected" in this sense, and therefore IMO deceptive, that visiting github.com causes my browser to run code from google.com.
  - candiodari 8y ago
    If this is how it works, enforcing this ... would end the web. How much thought was put into that ?

by keehun 8y ago

candiodari 8y ago

... in trade for a valuable service. I mean, you must hate cloud software if you've got problems with this. Surprise ! Almost all software, from steam to windows, to fusion360, to fastmail, to github, office, ... is cloud software. Just naming some random examples. All have the same problem, most without providing any service (hat off to fastmail and github though, who provide service, like Google, in trade for cloud. And poeh ! to MS, for having office be cloud software for no good reason whatsoever)

keehun 8y ago
I was just pointing out the fact that reCaptcha v2 was only on a few pages by design, and now Google wants us to put it on many pages. It's fundamentally changed its purpose from being a gatekeeper of spam/abuse on forms to a "Citizen Score" reporting "agency". I won't even engage with your troll-like point that I must hate cloud software.
majewsky 8y ago
It's still deceptive. German contract law has the notion of "unexpected clauses", especially for terms of services. Certain ToS clauses have been invalidated by courts even if the customer agrees to the contract that includes those ToS, because the clauses have been deemed "too unexpected". The basic idea is that people should not be expected to read the entire ToS before agreeing to them. To me, this is sort of the same: When I visit github.com, my mental model says that GitHub will know about this and be able to run scripts in my browser. However, it would be "unexpected" in this sense, and therefore IMO deceptive, that visiting github.com causes my browser to run code from google.com.
- candiodari 8y ago
  If this is how it works, enforcing this ... would end the web. How much thought was put into that ?