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Love him or hate him, they're not required to keep him in their embassy forever, or pay his bills and clean up after him. Regardless of what he did, in the civi

by SEJeff 8y ago

Love him or hate him, they're not required to keep him in their embassy forever, or pay his bills and clean up after him. Regardless of what he did, in the civilian world, he'd be similar to a squatter.

sandworm101 8y ago
>> in the civilian world, he'd be similar to a squatter. No and no. This is the civilian world. An embassy is an outpost of a civilian government. Despite all the spycraft associated with them, they are not military outposts and government cannot conduct military operations from them. They are armed only enough to defend themselves. He is also definitely not a squatter. He was invited in. Squatters by definition enter without permission.
- ilikehurdles 8y ago
  Squatters often enter with permission, but don't leave.
  - sandworm101 8y ago
    There is a legal distinction that really matters on a daily basis. A renter who fails to pay rent isn't a squatter. A delinquent renter cannot be instantly arrested for trespass. Someone who enters without permission can be instantly arrested without much in the way of process (trespasser, robbers, drunk people etc). Someone who had previous permission can only be evicted after a lengthy process. Where "adverse possession" aka squatter's rights exists, one much stay without the permission of the owner. A potential adverse possession can be avoided by the landowner giving permission. That stops any running clocks as the possession is no longer "adverse" to the rights of the owner.
gufle 8y ago
Regardless of what she did, in the civilian world, Anne Frank would be similar to a squatter.
- butterfi 8y ago
  Poor analogy.
  - vntok 8y ago
    > Anne Frank would be a squatter. That's absolute bullshit. Anne Frank was hidden inside an annex of her father's company, BY her father Otto Heinrich Frank, a former German officer decorated during the 1st World War. HE told her how he planned to hide her. Nothing to do with squatting, and frankly (no pun intended) you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting otherwise.
    - gufle 8y ago
      Anne Frank and her family lived in a building where her father worked. Not one he owned. They were hidden there by her father's colleagues. It's as much squatting as Assange's case. Not that it matters, I was simply pointing out the absurdity of trying to make such ridiculous analogies and characterizing people based on that. Also, I don't play shame tag bud.
  - gufle 8y ago
    Nah. (Its no worse than the Assange one.)
dragonwriter 8y ago
> Regardless of what he did, in the civilian world, he'd be similar to a squatter. No, he's more like a couchsurfer that wants the legal tenant on whose couch he is staying to provide cleaning services, indefinite rent-free residency, and to allow him to do things that violate the tenant's lease. But not a squatter, because he has permission, for now.

by SEJeff 8y ago

sandworm101 8y ago

>> in the civilian world, he'd be similar to a squatter. No and no. This is the civilian world. An embassy is an outpost of a civilian government. Despite all the spycraft associated with them, they are not military outposts and government cannot conduct military operations from them. They are armed only enough to defend themselves. He is also definitely not a squatter. He was invited in. Squatters by definition enter without permission.

ilikehurdles 8y ago
Squatters often enter with permission, but don't leave.
- sandworm101 8y ago
  There is a legal distinction that really matters on a daily basis. A renter who fails to pay rent isn't a squatter. A delinquent renter cannot be instantly arrested for trespass. Someone who enters without permission can be instantly arrested without much in the way of process (trespasser, robbers, drunk people etc). Someone who had previous permission can only be evicted after a lengthy process. Where "adverse possession" aka squatter's rights exists, one much stay without the permission of the owner. A potential adverse possession can be avoided by the landowner giving permission. That stops any running clocks as the possession is no longer "adverse" to the rights of the owner.

gufle 8y ago

Regardless of what she did, in the civilian world, Anne Frank would be similar to a squatter.

butterfi 8y ago
Poor analogy.
- vntok 8y ago
  > Anne Frank would be a squatter. That's absolute bullshit. Anne Frank was hidden inside an annex of her father's company, BY her father Otto Heinrich Frank, a former German officer decorated during the 1st World War. HE told her how he planned to hide her. Nothing to do with squatting, and frankly (no pun intended) you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting otherwise.
  - gufle 8y ago
    Anne Frank and her family lived in a building where her father worked. Not one he owned. They were hidden there by her father's colleagues. It's as much squatting as Assange's case. Not that it matters, I was simply pointing out the absurdity of trying to make such ridiculous analogies and characterizing people based on that. Also, I don't play shame tag bud.
- gufle 8y ago
  Nah. (Its no worse than the Assange one.)

dragonwriter 8y ago

> Regardless of what he did, in the civilian world, he'd be similar to a squatter. No, he's more like a couchsurfer that wants the legal tenant on whose couch he is staying to provide cleaning services, indefinite rent-free residency, and to allow him to do things that violate the tenant's lease. But not a squatter, because he has permission, for now.