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I've been keeping track of the various Kubernetes services and agree the market is massively crowded right now. AWS, Google and Azure dominate the cloud market.

I've been keeping track of the various Kubernetes services and agree the market is massively crowded right now. AWS, Google and Azure dominate the cloud market. IBM is a distant joint last place by most metrics. OpenShift won't compete with the cloud offerings in the long run. Redhat are currently competing with On-Prem offerings and trying to make a case for 'hybrid'. Even in this market OpenShift is competing against at least 15 alternatives. For anyone interested I've been crowd sourcing data for each and trying to work out key differentiators. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nAgDxQZYeAMLwz8iI3_aZ6lagDtEPg8X9PFqQvgtEjA/edit?ts=5bd7135b#gid=0 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nAgDxQZYeAMLwz8iI3_a... OpenShift is definitely differentiated in terms of security. They also have network and storage features that are arguably valuable to enterprise customers. Google GKE On-Prem is out soon. I never see Azure Stack mentioned so maybe Microsoft will look into a Docker acquisition to boost their enterprise footprint. The cloud seems like the bigger growth area though so perhaps this On-Prem container platform land grab will be short lived.

cwyers 8y ago
Microsoft is clearly investing in Docker, they bought Deis already. http://venturebeat.com/2017/04/10/microosoft-acquires-kubernetes-experts-deis-from-engine-yard/ http://venturebeat.com/2017/04/10/microosoft-acquires-kubern...
WorldMaker 8y ago
> I never see Azure Stack mentioned so maybe Microsoft will look into a Docker acquisition to boost their enterprise footprint. The companies using Azure Stack today are some of the least likely to be parroting that fact. Microsoft's on-prem is pretty well entrenched, particularly in "boring enterprise" where pragmatism beats idealism, are quiet "do the work, don't leak the work" more than proudly proclaim to be chasing the trends. That said, Azure Stack (and Azure) already have strong Docker support, without an acquisition to date. More interestingly, in my opinion, though, is that right now Azure Functions is the only "serverless" runtime with a strong open source story, and equally strong on-prem (both as part of Azure Stack and, increasingly from what I hear, standalone) as well as Cloud support.
- stevenacreman 8y ago
  Regarding the claimed market presence of Azure Stack can you explain why it's not in the recent Forrester report? https://reprints.forrester.com/#/assets/2/431/RES141562/reports https://reprints.forrester.com/#/assets/2/431/RES141562/repo...
  - WorldMaker 8y ago
    Fascinating. The choices made in the criteria in that report are alluded to but not explicit, so of course we must resort to mindreading. My best guess is because Azure Stack is more than just a "container platform", and the "container platform" for Azure Stack essentially is "just" Docker, so Azure Stack usage in this case would be rolled up in the strong position you see for Docker here. It would be great to see Forrester more forthright on such methodology, however, and this may be a good reminder that Forrester here is not a transparent, peer reviewed journal and doesn't have to show their homework.
    - stevenacreman 8y ago
      Docker, as mentioned in the Forrester report is "Docker Enterprise 2.0" and as the text mentions it's a Kubernetes platform with Swarm and Kubernetes orchestrators. AzureStack presumably runs AKS, the same as the Kubernetes service that runs in Azure, which is totally different. The market size can't be attributed in any way to Azure Stack which is why I was surprised you mentioned it was heavily used. Gartner talks to a wide range of companies usually.
      - WorldMaker 8y ago
        From the report: > "We did not evaluate native public cloud container or Kubernetes services." In which case AKS doesn't show up because the report intentionally excluded it. Again, I don't understand anything about the methodology of this report, it's very clear it's designed to present some bias, but there isn't enough transparency on what/why/where, and every time I skim it I come up with other questions as to the validity of this report towards any market size determinations whatsoever.
vvram 8y ago
While all of these solutions are maturing at a rapid pace, the problem of cloud is still cultural for most enterprise companies vs. tech stack. Operational discipline to make cloud a business driver is still an unmet need on every large enterprise side and it has lot to do with the non technical items, culture, incentives, organizational models
technofiend 8y ago
>I never see Azure Stack mentioned so maybe Microsoft will look into a Docker acquisition to boost their enterprise footprint. Podman is looking better and better every day.
qmarchi 8y ago
If you really want to get into the details, Walmart has their own hybrid solution which has been open-source for quite a while, OneOps. It's a terrible product, but somehow they manage to use it.
user5994461 8y ago
You miss cloud foundry from Pivotal. It's capturing all the Fortune 100 customers. I'd venture to say it's approaching 100% market share on premise.
- jacques_chester 8y ago
  Strictly speaking, Cloud Foundry is not Pivotal's, it belongs to the Cloud Foundry Foundation. We're the leading contributor and we sell the leading commercial distribution, but it's still an open source project. We compete with Red Hat in on-prem and hybrid scenarios but we're also cooperating with Red Hat, Google, IBM and SAP on Knative.
- drKarl 8y ago
  IBM Bluemix is based on Cloud Foundry
  - huhlig 8y ago
    Bluemix was, IBM Cloud isn't. IBM Cloud is kubernetes based.

cwyers 8y ago

Microsoft is clearly investing in Docker, they bought Deis already. http://venturebeat.com/2017/04/10/microosoft-acquires-kubernetes-experts-deis-from-engine-yard/ http://venturebeat.com/2017/04/10/microosoft-acquires-kubern...

WorldMaker 8y ago

> I never see Azure Stack mentioned so maybe Microsoft will look into a Docker acquisition to boost their enterprise footprint. The companies using Azure Stack today are some of the least likely to be parroting that fact. Microsoft's on-prem is pretty well entrenched, particularly in "boring enterprise" where pragmatism beats idealism, are quiet "do the work, don't leak the work" more than proudly proclaim to be chasing the trends. That said, Azure Stack (and Azure) already have strong Docker support, without an acquisition to date. More interestingly, in my opinion, though, is that right now Azure Functions is the only "serverless" runtime with a strong open source story, and equally strong on-prem (both as part of Azure Stack and, increasingly from what I hear, standalone) as well as Cloud support.

stevenacreman 8y ago
Regarding the claimed market presence of Azure Stack can you explain why it's not in the recent Forrester report? https://reprints.forrester.com/#/assets/2/431/RES141562/reports https://reprints.forrester.com/#/assets/2/431/RES141562/repo...
- WorldMaker 8y ago
  Fascinating. The choices made in the criteria in that report are alluded to but not explicit, so of course we must resort to mindreading. My best guess is because Azure Stack is more than just a "container platform", and the "container platform" for Azure Stack essentially is "just" Docker, so Azure Stack usage in this case would be rolled up in the strong position you see for Docker here. It would be great to see Forrester more forthright on such methodology, however, and this may be a good reminder that Forrester here is not a transparent, peer reviewed journal and doesn't have to show their homework.
  - stevenacreman 8y ago
    Docker, as mentioned in the Forrester report is "Docker Enterprise 2.0" and as the text mentions it's a Kubernetes platform with Swarm and Kubernetes orchestrators. AzureStack presumably runs AKS, the same as the Kubernetes service that runs in Azure, which is totally different. The market size can't be attributed in any way to Azure Stack which is why I was surprised you mentioned it was heavily used. Gartner talks to a wide range of companies usually.
    - WorldMaker 8y ago
      From the report: > "We did not evaluate native public cloud container or Kubernetes services." In which case AKS doesn't show up because the report intentionally excluded it. Again, I don't understand anything about the methodology of this report, it's very clear it's designed to present some bias, but there isn't enough transparency on what/why/where, and every time I skim it I come up with other questions as to the validity of this report towards any market size determinations whatsoever.

vvram 8y ago

While all of these solutions are maturing at a rapid pace, the problem of cloud is still cultural for most enterprise companies vs. tech stack. Operational discipline to make cloud a business driver is still an unmet need on every large enterprise side and it has lot to do with the non technical items, culture, incentives, organizational models

technofiend 8y ago

>I never see Azure Stack mentioned so maybe Microsoft will look into a Docker acquisition to boost their enterprise footprint. Podman is looking better and better every day.

qmarchi 8y ago

If you really want to get into the details, Walmart has their own hybrid solution which has been open-source for quite a while, OneOps. It's a terrible product, but somehow they manage to use it.

user5994461 8y ago

You miss cloud foundry from Pivotal. It's capturing all the Fortune 100 customers. I'd venture to say it's approaching 100% market share on premise.

jacques_chester 8y ago
Strictly speaking, Cloud Foundry is not Pivotal's, it belongs to the Cloud Foundry Foundation. We're the leading contributor and we sell the leading commercial distribution, but it's still an open source project. We compete with Red Hat in on-prem and hybrid scenarios but we're also cooperating with Red Hat, Google, IBM and SAP on Knative.
drKarl 8y ago
IBM Bluemix is based on Cloud Foundry
- huhlig 8y ago
  Bluemix was, IBM Cloud isn't. IBM Cloud is kubernetes based.