> That's unfair. I'm not painting with a broad stroke here. I'm referring to specific people I have had specific conversations with. Of course, Milwaukee, Mad

> That's unfair. I'm not painting with a broad stroke here. I'm referring to specific people I have had specific conversations with. Of course, Milwaukee, Madison, and also many of the smaller cities in Wisconsin have great engineering cultures with extremely smart people who understand this distinction. And also many Wisconsites with non-Engineering backgrounds obviously understand the distinction. All I'm saying is that, based on my first-hand experience, there were many in Wisconsin who did not/do not understand this distinction. Which is good news, because that means that explaining simple and easily demonstrable facts can change people's minds. Perhaps sustained canvassing on this issue would be a good way to change things in WI. I've been able to win a few people over by explaining over a year ago where this whole thing was going to go and then reminding them any time there's a development.