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I stand corrected on the speed, I think the chart I referenced I mixed mph ad kmh. Anyway, we can agree roughly similar speeds, and anecdotally I will add bike

I stand corrected on the speed, I think the chart I referenced I mixed mph ad kmh. Anyway, we can agree roughly similar speeds, and anecdotally I will add bikes are faster in the aforementioned conditions but can go much faster. I have no problem with downvotes, I just feel that initially a comment is warranted. As for the weights, I will concede here a little as well. The lime scooter is a Xioami which weighs 26.9 lbs (12kgs) (which I stated), and your average bike is probably 18lbs (8kgs). I'll also give you that the braking on a bike front and back may be better than regen + back braking (at least for some control). However, I ride a much lighter, less rugged e-micro at 7.5kgs and find the agility and manoeuvrability gives much more control than stopping on a bike where you can't just put your feet down and lift. We can agree to disagree on which is more sensible, but we should definitely work to accommodate them.

davidgould 8y ago
> The lime scooter is a Xioami which weighs 26.9 lbs (12kgs) The original was a Xiomi, but they have been replacing them with heavier duty versions. The latest according to [0] weighs 40 to 45 lbs, (20kg). [0] https://www.wired.com/story/lime-scooter-gen3-design/ https://www.wired.com/story/lime-scooter-gen3-design/
- hndamien 8y ago
  Yikes! I'm in Australia, so did not know this. Ultimately I think we should aim for lighter personal ownership rather than heavy, rugged sharing. And in those cases, use docks, and not dockless.
romwell 8y ago
>We can agree to disagree on which is more sensible, but we should definitely work to accommodate them. Indeed, my point was that these devices make sense for a lot of people, but we aren't accommodating the needs of the users by throwing them either into the roadways, bike lanes, or sidewalks. Also, a lot of my stability/maneuverability/acceleration points likely don't apply to your e-micro. The Lime-S I tried weighs a ton, and has a battery in the stem, pushing the center of mass way up. And I think that this kind of scooters (larger, heavier) , rather than micros, will be the ones we'll see most, since they provide more range. All the more arguments to build out e-scooter paths. Or better yet, close streets to car traffic, and let the scooters roam free.
- hndamien 8y ago
  The centre of mass point is a really good one. I had not considered what a difference that makes.

davidgould 8y ago

> The lime scooter is a Xioami which weighs 26.9 lbs (12kgs) The original was a Xiomi, but they have been replacing them with heavier duty versions. The latest according to [0] weighs 40 to 45 lbs, (20kg). [0] https://www.wired.com/story/lime-scooter-gen3-design/ https://www.wired.com/story/lime-scooter-gen3-design/

hndamien 8y ago
Yikes! I'm in Australia, so did not know this. Ultimately I think we should aim for lighter personal ownership rather than heavy, rugged sharing. And in those cases, use docks, and not dockless.

romwell 8y ago

>We can agree to disagree on which is more sensible, but we should definitely work to accommodate them. Indeed, my point was that these devices make sense for a lot of people, but we aren't accommodating the needs of the users by throwing them either into the roadways, bike lanes, or sidewalks. Also, a lot of my stability/maneuverability/acceleration points likely don't apply to your e-micro. The Lime-S I tried weighs a ton, and has a battery in the stem, pushing the center of mass way up. And I think that this kind of scooters (larger, heavier) , rather than micros, will be the ones we'll see most, since they provide more range. All the more arguments to build out e-scooter paths. Or better yet, close streets to car traffic, and let the scooters roam free.

hndamien 8y ago
The centre of mass point is a really good one. I had not considered what a difference that makes.