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It doesn't work like that. The poor have ID. Sure, it isn't easy, but they get ID because they need it for damn near everything. For example, you mentioned "wo

by tropo 8y ago

It doesn't work like that. The poor have ID. Sure, it isn't easy, but they get ID because they need it for damn near everything. For example, you mentioned "work hours". If they are legally working, they have ID. If they get any sort of welfare, they have ID. If they smoke or drink, they have ID.

mikeash 8y ago
“Rates of identification-ownership are highest among White individuals, while other ethnic groups disproportionately lack necessary photo ID. Thirteen percent of Blacks, 10 percent of Hispanics, but only 5 percent of Whites lack photographic identification. “Lower-income individuals are less likely to have photo ID. Twelve percent of adults living in a household with less than $25,000 annual income lack photo ID, compared to just 2 percent in households with over $150,000 annual income.” From http://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AMERICANS-WITH-PHOTO-ID-Research-Memo-February-2015.pdf http://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AMERIC...
- tropo 8y ago
  There is a huge flaw inherent in that study. It is assumed that the people claiming to be Americans without ID are in fact Americans without ID. It's kind of hard to verify this without ID, eh? The given percentages are in the ballpark for estimates of illegal aliens, meaning that these might be people who aren't supposed to have an American ID and in fact aren't supposed to vote.
  - JoeAltmaier 8y ago
    Illegal aliens are largely white Europeans that overstay their visa?
  - mikeash 8y ago
    Illegal immigrants are only about 3% of the total population of the country. The vast majority are Hispanic. This could potentially explain the Hispanic numbers but couldn’t possibly account for the others. 13% of blacks being illegal immigrants isn’t in the ballpark, it’s not even the same sport.

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It doesn't work like that. The poor have ID. Sure, it isn't easy, but they get ID because they need it for damn near everything. For example, you mentioned "wo

by tropo 8y ago

mikeash 8y ago
“Rates of identification-ownership are highest among White individuals, while other ethnic groups disproportionately lack necessary photo ID. Thirteen percent of Blacks, 10 percent of Hispanics, but only 5 percent of Whites lack photographic identification. “Lower-income individuals are less likely to have photo ID. Twelve percent of adults living in a household with less than $25,000 annual income lack photo ID, compared to just 2 percent in households with over $150,000 annual income.” From http://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AMERICANS-WITH-PHOTO-ID-Research-Memo-February-2015.pdf http://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AMERIC...
- tropo 8y ago
  There is a huge flaw inherent in that study. It is assumed that the people claiming to be Americans without ID are in fact Americans without ID. It's kind of hard to verify this without ID, eh? The given percentages are in the ballpark for estimates of illegal aliens, meaning that these might be people who aren't supposed to have an American ID and in fact aren't supposed to vote.
  - JoeAltmaier 8y ago
    Illegal aliens are largely white Europeans that overstay their visa?
  - mikeash 8y ago
    Illegal immigrants are only about 3% of the total population of the country. The vast majority are Hispanic. This could potentially explain the Hispanic numbers but couldn’t possibly account for the others. 13% of blacks being illegal immigrants isn’t in the ballpark, it’s not even the same sport.