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I'm sure that you can draw a line where it does not count as "core product", but Eclipse has to count as something.

by usrusr 8y ago

coredog64 8y ago
The motivation behind Eclipse/JWT was similar to the French supporting American rebels in the late 18th century. It had nothing to do with what they stood for and everything to do with being able to poke a stick in the eye of their most hated enemy (Sun and Great Britain, respectively). Hell, the name and logo even tells you what they're trying to do.
- toyg 8y ago
  You are a bit unkind to the French: ideological affinity between American and French revolutionaires clearly went beyond their hatred for a common enemy, as proven by the overall shape of resulting Constitutions. I do agree on the aims of the Eclipse project though.
  - mishac 8y ago
    It was he French monarchy that helped the Americans, so there really was no ideological affinity. The revolution in France wasnt until several years after the US war against the British was over.
    - toyg 8y ago
      The French monarchy had to be dragged into the war, it was public opinion that, swayed by public campaigns from leading American figures, pushed for intervention: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War#Debate_over_quiet_aid_or_declaring_open_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolut... Much of that same public opinion would then go on to power the French revolution a few years later. Lafayette famously wrote the "Déclaration des droits de l'homme" with Thomas Jefferson's help. Both revolutions had common ideological grounds - Enlightenment and democracy.
icedchai 8y ago
Eclipse is horribly bloated. Many, many developers have moved to IntelliJ IDEA.
- usrusr 8y ago
  So have I, but I haven't forgotten how much of a godsend it used to be. I do occasionally wonder if eclipse was actually better then or if it has just stagnated while the rest of the world marched on.

I'm sure that you can draw a line where it does not count as "core product", but Eclipse has to count as something.

by usrusr 8y ago

I'm sure that you can draw a line where it does not count as "core product", but Eclipse has to count as something.

The motivation behind Eclipse/JWT was similar to the French supporting American rebels in the late 18th century. It had nothing to do with what they stood for and everything to do with being able to poke a stick in the eye of their most hated enemy (Sun and Great Britain, respectively). Hell, the name and logo even tells you what they're trying to do.

toyg 8y ago
You are a bit unkind to the French: ideological affinity between American and French revolutionaires clearly went beyond their hatred for a common enemy, as proven by the overall shape of resulting Constitutions. I do agree on the aims of the Eclipse project though.
- mishac 8y ago
  It was he French monarchy that helped the Americans, so there really was no ideological affinity. The revolution in France wasnt until several years after the US war against the British was over.
  - toyg 8y ago
    The French monarchy had to be dragged into the war, it was public opinion that, swayed by public campaigns from leading American figures, pushed for intervention: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War#Debate_over_quiet_aid_or_declaring_open_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolut... Much of that same public opinion would then go on to power the French revolution a few years later. Lafayette famously wrote the "Déclaration des droits de l'homme" with Thomas Jefferson's help. Both revolutions had common ideological grounds - Enlightenment and democracy.

icedchai 8y ago

Eclipse is horribly bloated. Many, many developers have moved to IntelliJ IDEA.

usrusr 8y ago
So have I, but I haven't forgotten how much of a godsend it used to be. I do occasionally wonder if eclipse was actually better then or if it has just stagnated while the rest of the world marched on.