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Show me a single core product IBM have open sourced.

cyphar 8y ago
OpenBMC is worked on by the OzLabs group (which is the core of some of their mainframe BMCs), as well as lots of work around POWER9 and s390. Don't get me wrong, they are a proprietary shop at the end of the day, but they do an incredible amount of free software work.
zokier 8y ago
Their J9 JDK alongside with WebSphere AS.
- rodgerd 8y ago
  WAS is not open source.
  - dorfsmay 8y ago
    I wouldn't use it even it if were open source or public domain!
  - zokier 8y ago
    WAS Liberty profile is still WAS, and is (mostly) open sourced as OpenLiberty.
phkahler 8y ago
Went they the primary driver of eclipse?
jhawk28 8y ago
Eclipse
- rodgerd 8y ago
  Eclipse is hardly a core IBM product.
  - xienze 8y ago
    It depends on what you mean by “core product”. Eclipse or parts of Eclipse are used in a TON of IBM products.
usrusr 8y ago
I'm sure that you can draw a line where it does not count as "core product", but Eclipse has to count as something.
- coredog64 8y ago
  The motivation behind Eclipse/JWT was similar to the French supporting American rebels in the late 18th century. It had nothing to do with what they stood for and everything to do with being able to poke a stick in the eye of their most hated enemy (Sun and Great Britain, respectively). Hell, the name and logo even tells you what they're trying to do.
  - toyg 8y ago
    You are a bit unkind to the French: ideological affinity between American and French revolutionaires clearly went beyond their hatred for a common enemy, as proven by the overall shape of resulting Constitutions. I do agree on the aims of the Eclipse project though.
    - mishac 8y ago
      It was he French monarchy that helped the Americans, so there really was no ideological affinity. The revolution in France wasnt until several years after the US war against the British was over.
      - toyg 8y ago
        The French monarchy had to be dragged into the war, it was public opinion that, swayed by public campaigns from leading American figures, pushed for intervention: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War#Debate_over_quiet_aid_or_declaring_open_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolut... Much of that same public opinion would then go on to power the French revolution a few years later. Lafayette famously wrote the "Déclaration des droits de l'homme" with Thomas Jefferson's help. Both revolutions had common ideological grounds - Enlightenment and democracy.
dannypgh 8y ago
There was an era when IBM's "core products" were hardware. I think today their "core product" is consulting. Open source hardware exists but is rare. I don't know what it means to open source consulting?
jacques_chester 8y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFS_(file_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFS_(file_system) https://openpowerfoundation.org/ https://openpowerfoundation.org/
- icebraining 8y ago
  What has OpenPOWER actually open sourced? Seems to be more a quid-pro-quo between IBM and its select partners.
  - jacques_chester 8y ago
    That's what I get for reading "open".
  - zie 8y ago
    https://github.com/OpenPOWERFoundation https://github.com/OpenPOWERFoundation and https://github.com/open-power https://github.com/open-power OpenPower has the entire firmware Apache licensed, see the link. that's WAY more than any Intel/AMD CPU. Even all the secure-boot stuff is open(Apache Licensed). Joining the OpenPower Foundation is free for < 300 employee companies, academics and individuals. see the membership kit: https://openpowerfoundation.org/membership/how-to-join/ https://openpowerfoundation.org/membership/how-to-join/ Joining the foundation gets you the chip blueprints, etc. For hardware it's like leaps and bounds more open than anything else out there that can compete with it. Could they open up more, of course, but for hardware, it's pretty amazingly open.
    - icebraining 8y ago
      Thanks.
zie 8y ago
To some degree they have opened the Power9, which is hardware. For hardware it's like leaps and bounds more open than anything else out there that can compete with it. RISC-V is more open, but the hardware isn't necessarily open, and it's not yet really competing at the same scale as Power9 does... yet. There is hope :)
- monocasa 8y ago
  Where's the source to Power 9 then?
  - zie 8y ago
    https://github.com/OpenPOWERFoundation https://github.com/OpenPOWERFoundation and https://github.com/open-power https://github.com/open-power This is not the entire source, but if you join the foundation you get the chip blueprints, etc. But the entire BIOS is open. that's huge.
    - monocasa 8y ago
      I mean, following that logic x86 is open because Coreboot exists. Or all of ARM and MIPS is open because YABOOT and U-BOOT are opensource. You can get the HDL for both those archs if you join the right orgs too. No, open source means more than having 'open' in your pproject name.
      - zie 8y ago
        Coreboot requires Intel/AMB blobs, you can disable most of the ME, but it's still binary-blobbed to hell. Also none of that is done by Intel/AMD. OpenPower has the entire firmware Apache licensed, see the link I gave. that's WAY more than any Intel/AMD CPU. Even all the secure-boot stuff is open(Apache Licensed). Joining the OpenPower Foundation is free for < 300 employee companies, academics and individuals. see the membership kit: https://openpowerfoundation.org/membership/how-to-join/ https://openpowerfoundation.org/membership/how-to-join/ If you had read any of the links I gave you would have seen all of this for yourself. I provided proof. Please provide proof of your claims :) Is it perfect, of course not. I never claimed it was, but it's WAY more open than anything else out there, except perhaps RISC-V.. except I don't believe any of the hardware for RISC-V is open at all, and none of the hardware that I'm aware of is yet able to compete with x86.. YET.
nudpiedo 8y ago
They have many (you might argue some are somewhat autist but there are): https://developer.ibm.com/code/open/projects/ https://developer.ibm.com/code/open/projects/ And they also do several contributions, e.g. openstack, linux kernel I would agree that IBM is not pop enough and that their motivation is usually not based on ideals or a social contract. EDIT: I forgot IBM Blockchain, which you might think it is not "core" just because the company is still divided between areas like services, consulting and hardware... https://github.com/IBM-Blockchain https://github.com/IBM-Blockchain
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barbecue_sauce 8y ago
Does IBM have any core products?

OpenBMC is worked on by the OzLabs group (which is the core of some of their mainframe BMCs), as well as lots of work around POWER9 and s390. Don't get me wrong, they are a proprietary shop at the end of the day, but they do an incredible amount of free software work.

zokier 8y ago

Their J9 JDK alongside with WebSphere AS.

rodgerd 8y ago
WAS is not open source.
- dorfsmay 8y ago
  I wouldn't use it even it if were open source or public domain!
- zokier 8y ago
  WAS Liberty profile is still WAS, and is (mostly) open sourced as OpenLiberty.

phkahler 8y ago

Went they the primary driver of eclipse?

jhawk28 8y ago

Eclipse

rodgerd 8y ago
Eclipse is hardly a core IBM product.
- xienze 8y ago
  It depends on what you mean by “core product”. Eclipse or parts of Eclipse are used in a TON of IBM products.

usrusr 8y ago

I'm sure that you can draw a line where it does not count as "core product", but Eclipse has to count as something.

coredog64 8y ago
The motivation behind Eclipse/JWT was similar to the French supporting American rebels in the late 18th century. It had nothing to do with what they stood for and everything to do with being able to poke a stick in the eye of their most hated enemy (Sun and Great Britain, respectively). Hell, the name and logo even tells you what they're trying to do.
- toyg 8y ago
  You are a bit unkind to the French: ideological affinity between American and French revolutionaires clearly went beyond their hatred for a common enemy, as proven by the overall shape of resulting Constitutions. I do agree on the aims of the Eclipse project though.
  - mishac 8y ago
    It was he French monarchy that helped the Americans, so there really was no ideological affinity. The revolution in France wasnt until several years after the US war against the British was over.
    - toyg 8y ago
      The French monarchy had to be dragged into the war, it was public opinion that, swayed by public campaigns from leading American figures, pushed for intervention: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War#Debate_over_quiet_aid_or_declaring_open_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolut... Much of that same public opinion would then go on to power the French revolution a few years later. Lafayette famously wrote the "Déclaration des droits de l'homme" with Thomas Jefferson's help. Both revolutions had common ideological grounds - Enlightenment and democracy.

dannypgh 8y ago

There was an era when IBM's "core products" were hardware. I think today their "core product" is consulting. Open source hardware exists but is rare. I don't know what it means to open source consulting?

jacques_chester 8y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFS_(file_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFS_(file_system) https://openpowerfoundation.org/ https://openpowerfoundation.org/

icebraining 8y ago
What has OpenPOWER actually open sourced? Seems to be more a quid-pro-quo between IBM and its select partners.
- jacques_chester 8y ago
  That's what I get for reading "open".
- zie 8y ago
  https://github.com/OpenPOWERFoundation https://github.com/OpenPOWERFoundation and https://github.com/open-power https://github.com/open-power OpenPower has the entire firmware Apache licensed, see the link. that's WAY more than any Intel/AMD CPU. Even all the secure-boot stuff is open(Apache Licensed). Joining the OpenPower Foundation is free for < 300 employee companies, academics and individuals. see the membership kit: https://openpowerfoundation.org/membership/how-to-join/ https://openpowerfoundation.org/membership/how-to-join/ Joining the foundation gets you the chip blueprints, etc. For hardware it's like leaps and bounds more open than anything else out there that can compete with it. Could they open up more, of course, but for hardware, it's pretty amazingly open.
  - icebraining 8y ago
    Thanks.

zie 8y ago

To some degree they have opened the Power9, which is hardware. For hardware it's like leaps and bounds more open than anything else out there that can compete with it. RISC-V is more open, but the hardware isn't necessarily open, and it's not yet really competing at the same scale as Power9 does... yet. There is hope :)

monocasa 8y ago
Where's the source to Power 9 then?
- zie 8y ago
  https://github.com/OpenPOWERFoundation https://github.com/OpenPOWERFoundation and https://github.com/open-power https://github.com/open-power This is not the entire source, but if you join the foundation you get the chip blueprints, etc. But the entire BIOS is open. that's huge.
  - monocasa 8y ago
    I mean, following that logic x86 is open because Coreboot exists. Or all of ARM and MIPS is open because YABOOT and U-BOOT are opensource. You can get the HDL for both those archs if you join the right orgs too. No, open source means more than having 'open' in your pproject name.
    - zie 8y ago
      Coreboot requires Intel/AMB blobs, you can disable most of the ME, but it's still binary-blobbed to hell. Also none of that is done by Intel/AMD. OpenPower has the entire firmware Apache licensed, see the link I gave. that's WAY more than any Intel/AMD CPU. Even all the secure-boot stuff is open(Apache Licensed). Joining the OpenPower Foundation is free for < 300 employee companies, academics and individuals. see the membership kit: https://openpowerfoundation.org/membership/how-to-join/ https://openpowerfoundation.org/membership/how-to-join/ If you had read any of the links I gave you would have seen all of this for yourself. I provided proof. Please provide proof of your claims :) Is it perfect, of course not. I never claimed it was, but it's WAY more open than anything else out there, except perhaps RISC-V.. except I don't believe any of the hardware for RISC-V is open at all, and none of the hardware that I'm aware of is yet able to compete with x86.. YET.

nudpiedo 8y ago

They have many (you might argue some are somewhat autist but there are): https://developer.ibm.com/code/open/projects/ https://developer.ibm.com/code/open/projects/ And they also do several contributions, e.g. openstack, linux kernel I would agree that IBM is not pop enough and that their motivation is usually not based on ideals or a social contract. EDIT: I forgot IBM Blockchain, which you might think it is not "core" just because the company is still divided between areas like services, consulting and hardware... https://github.com/IBM-Blockchain https://github.com/IBM-Blockchain

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barbecue_sauce 8y ago

Does IBM have any core products?