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any GOOD reason why porting existing stuff that works ?

halfastack 8y ago
Doubt it honestly. Seems to me like the main group of people up in arms about it are those who never did serious Java development anyways.
- twic 8y ago
  Comments on HN vary very widely in quality, but articles about Java or the JDK currently seem to attract particularly passionate low-quality comments. Does it somehow tickle the same neurons that Microsoft did back in the days of Micro$haft Winblowz 95?
  - dman 8y ago
    If you think Java has it bad, I invite you to read every thread about C++.
    - kjeetgill 8y ago
      Even if the hate is poor at least C++ gets quasi-technical hate. 90% of low effort complaints on HN are about Oracle v Google. I'd take morning and groaning about GC or boring verbosity language over that in a heart beat.
    - simion314 8y ago
      PHP projects also get a lot of hate from people that have no idea about PHP, they just learned that some noobs wrote bad code with it, it is not a pretty or cool language but only bad developers would port existing project from PHP just because the language is not cool.
chris_wot 8y ago
Because Java is an ecosystem that is dying, and the sooner you move away from it the less pain you will have in the long term.
- simion314 8y ago
  So if you have years of developers hours n a Java project you throw it away and start over with cool new tech that may also be not cool when your port is done? As long as the current code works, you can add new features and fixes to it, there is no reason to change. For new projects you should use teh best tool for the job.
  - chris_wot 8y ago
    No, not necessarily the latest “cool tech”, just something other than Java. Just because you’ve spent a lot of money and time on the Java platform doesn’t mean continuing to throw resources at it isn’t a example of the sunk cost fallacy at work.
    - kjeetgill 8y ago
      Sunk Cost Fallacy? Sounds like the fallacy fallacy! [0][1]. Joking aside, that's incredibly misapplied. More seriously, I'm curious where you work or what parts of the industry you're privy to. It's everywhere from where I'm standing. Tons of companies are built on millions of jvms. LinkedIn, Google, Twitter, Amazon, etc. I know personally but I'm sure every third other tech company in the valley at least too. [0]: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy
      - chris_wot 8y ago
        I'll take your fallacy fallacy and raise you a fallacy fallacy fallacy. Just to remind you, there was an entire industry built around Flash and Silverlight too. The people responding to me seem to think I'm advocating a quick rewrite (whatever that means), but all I'm saying is that from where I stand Java will not last in the long term without serious changes within Oracle. It would be better to have a transition plan now than no transition plan on a dying platform. I was sort of expecting to be flamed, but I can assure you I'm not interested in revealing to flamers where I work...

Doubt it honestly. Seems to me like the main group of people up in arms about it are those who never did serious Java development anyways.

twic 8y ago
Comments on HN vary very widely in quality, but articles about Java or the JDK currently seem to attract particularly passionate low-quality comments. Does it somehow tickle the same neurons that Microsoft did back in the days of Micro$haft Winblowz 95?
- dman 8y ago
  If you think Java has it bad, I invite you to read every thread about C++.
  - kjeetgill 8y ago
    Even if the hate is poor at least C++ gets quasi-technical hate. 90% of low effort complaints on HN are about Oracle v Google. I'd take morning and groaning about GC or boring verbosity language over that in a heart beat.
  - simion314 8y ago
    PHP projects also get a lot of hate from people that have no idea about PHP, they just learned that some noobs wrote bad code with it, it is not a pretty or cool language but only bad developers would port existing project from PHP just because the language is not cool.

chris_wot 8y ago

Because Java is an ecosystem that is dying, and the sooner you move away from it the less pain you will have in the long term.

simion314 8y ago
So if you have years of developers hours n a Java project you throw it away and start over with cool new tech that may also be not cool when your port is done? As long as the current code works, you can add new features and fixes to it, there is no reason to change. For new projects you should use teh best tool for the job.
- chris_wot 8y ago
  No, not necessarily the latest “cool tech”, just something other than Java. Just because you’ve spent a lot of money and time on the Java platform doesn’t mean continuing to throw resources at it isn’t a example of the sunk cost fallacy at work.
  - kjeetgill 8y ago
    Sunk Cost Fallacy? Sounds like the fallacy fallacy! [0][1]. Joking aside, that's incredibly misapplied. More seriously, I'm curious where you work or what parts of the industry you're privy to. It's everywhere from where I'm standing. Tons of companies are built on millions of jvms. LinkedIn, Google, Twitter, Amazon, etc. I know personally but I'm sure every third other tech company in the valley at least too. [0]: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy
    - chris_wot 8y ago
      I'll take your fallacy fallacy and raise you a fallacy fallacy fallacy. Just to remind you, there was an entire industry built around Flash and Silverlight too. The people responding to me seem to think I'm advocating a quick rewrite (whatever that means), but all I'm saying is that from where I stand Java will not last in the long term without serious changes within Oracle. It would be better to have a transition plan now than no transition plan on a dying platform. I was sort of expecting to be flamed, but I can assure you I'm not interested in revealing to flamers where I work...