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Scooters = making money Homeless drug addicts = Losing money Hence why San Francisco did something about the scooters. So sad that it’s now becoming known gl

Scooters = making money Homeless drug addicts = Losing money Hence why San Francisco did something about the scooters. So sad that it’s now becoming known globally as poop city.

drb91 8y ago
It’s easy to describe SF as far worse than a “poop city”, which is frankly overblown anyway. Maybe “the city where the rich are content to listen to people die on their doorstep”.
- graeme 8y ago
  The SV people I follow on twitter don't seem too content. A bit part of the issue is lack of shelters, which aren't built to to limited funding or zoning restrictions, correct? SF doesn't actually have more homeless per capita, they just have more unsheltered people. And most come from the bay area. I don't know the exact cause of the problem, but if it was a problem money could solve on its own it would have been done already. The homelessness issue in SF is pereniall bad press for tech companies.
  - wilde 8y ago
    I’m not sure the companies see it that way. There’s money but it’s going to protect their tax breaks. https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/10/san-francisco-prop-c-homeless-ballot-measure/573358/ https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/10/san-francisco-prop-c-...
  - coldtea 8y ago
    >The SV people I follow on twitter don't seem too content. Actions show that, not lip service.
    - WillPostForFood 8y ago
      And talk about literally self selected.
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- thatswrong0 8y ago
  It’s really not overblown. I live downtown.
  - drb91 8y ago
    Me too! But there are dogs and homeless people all over; poop management issues are really not unique to SF. I am in Germany at the moment and my poop-dodging skills are still in high use.
    - thatswrong0 8y ago
      Compared to other major American cities like Chicago or NYC though, it’s really really bad. It’s not even close. The number of times I’ve seen people actively shitting in front of me is way too damn high.
      - drb91 8y ago
        Homeless? Sure, why not. Shitting in front of me? The world is ending.
ido 8y ago
Serious question from semi-frequent visitor to SF: I come every couple of years for a conference in downtown SF (Moscone Center) and always stay a whole week (so I can walk around town before/after the conference - usually going north and west towards the shore/golden gate bridge). I have not throughout the years noticed the supposed infestation of human faeces. I see a lot of homeless people, but not more than, say, Berlin. And I would say the parts of the city I walk through (and especially the parks!) are actually cleaner than Berlin (and Berlin is not that dirty). Am I just not staying/walking through the really bad parts? Or missing something else? Or does it just take longer exposure to notice?
- ido 8y ago
  BTW this is the park that I was thinking about: https://goo.gl/maps/XDYaADoK7662 https://goo.gl/maps/XDYaADoK7662 And I would venture a guess that NO parks within anywhere remotely central locations in Berlin are as clean as this one - not just no used needles/broken bottles but not even "pedestrian" litter like thrown packaging or paper. I don't think you would even commonly find cigarette butts on the grass.
  - et-al 8y ago
    Yerba Buena Gardens is more of a corporate garden. Check out all the rules they have: https://ybgfestival.org/visitor-info/#rules https://ybgfestival.org/visitor-info/#rules Basically don't do anything but sit, eat your lunch, and look at your phone. The amount of staff people there during the daytime is unlike any other park in SF.
    - ido 8y ago
      Ok fair enough! I didn't know that, it was just the nearest park to Moscone so I assumed this is what public parks look like in downtown SF.
- TACIXAT 8y ago
  I think you might just not be tuned into it. I've gone into the city 3 times since moving to San Jose and I've seen it every time. My girlfriend just did an interview in SF and the building she was interviewing at had feces smeared on the window.
loceng 8y ago
"Homeless drug addicts = Losing money" Imagine drug dealers actually cared about using some of their profits to take care of people, and hoping that they maintain the use of their drugs - helping the user become more productive, have more money, therefore be able to buy more drugs.. I suppose that's what legalizing drug use is all about, bringing it into the public eye, and allowing government and other health services more access to people to help them.
- blfr 8y ago
  Turning drug addicts into serfs like in Interstate 60[1]. Perhaps it would be an improvement but doesn't seem like a desirable end goal. [1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0165832/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0165832/

Scooters = making money Homeless drug addicts = Losing money Hence why San Francisco did something about the scooters. So sad that it’s now becoming known globally as poop city.

drb91 8y ago

It’s easy to describe SF as far worse than a “poop city”, which is frankly overblown anyway. Maybe “the city where the rich are content to listen to people die on their doorstep”.

graeme 8y ago
The SV people I follow on twitter don't seem too content. A bit part of the issue is lack of shelters, which aren't built to to limited funding or zoning restrictions, correct? SF doesn't actually have more homeless per capita, they just have more unsheltered people. And most come from the bay area. I don't know the exact cause of the problem, but if it was a problem money could solve on its own it would have been done already. The homelessness issue in SF is pereniall bad press for tech companies.
- wilde 8y ago
  I’m not sure the companies see it that way. There’s money but it’s going to protect their tax breaks. https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/10/san-francisco-prop-c-homeless-ballot-measure/573358/ https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/10/san-francisco-prop-c-...
- coldtea 8y ago
  >The SV people I follow on twitter don't seem too content. Actions show that, not lip service.
  - WillPostForFood 8y ago
    And talk about literally self selected.
- deleted 8y ago
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thatswrong0 8y ago
It’s really not overblown. I live downtown.
- drb91 8y ago
  Me too! But there are dogs and homeless people all over; poop management issues are really not unique to SF. I am in Germany at the moment and my poop-dodging skills are still in high use.
  - thatswrong0 8y ago
    Compared to other major American cities like Chicago or NYC though, it’s really really bad. It’s not even close. The number of times I’ve seen people actively shitting in front of me is way too damn high.
    - drb91 8y ago
      Homeless? Sure, why not. Shitting in front of me? The world is ending.

ido 8y ago

Serious question from semi-frequent visitor to SF: I come every couple of years for a conference in downtown SF (Moscone Center) and always stay a whole week (so I can walk around town before/after the conference - usually going north and west towards the shore/golden gate bridge). I have not throughout the years noticed the supposed infestation of human faeces. I see a lot of homeless people, but not more than, say, Berlin. And I would say the parts of the city I walk through (and especially the parks!) are actually cleaner than Berlin (and Berlin is not that dirty). Am I just not staying/walking through the really bad parts? Or missing something else? Or does it just take longer exposure to notice?

ido 8y ago
BTW this is the park that I was thinking about: https://goo.gl/maps/XDYaADoK7662 https://goo.gl/maps/XDYaADoK7662 And I would venture a guess that NO parks within anywhere remotely central locations in Berlin are as clean as this one - not just no used needles/broken bottles but not even "pedestrian" litter like thrown packaging or paper. I don't think you would even commonly find cigarette butts on the grass.
- et-al 8y ago
  Yerba Buena Gardens is more of a corporate garden. Check out all the rules they have: https://ybgfestival.org/visitor-info/#rules https://ybgfestival.org/visitor-info/#rules Basically don't do anything but sit, eat your lunch, and look at your phone. The amount of staff people there during the daytime is unlike any other park in SF.
  - ido 8y ago
    Ok fair enough! I didn't know that, it was just the nearest park to Moscone so I assumed this is what public parks look like in downtown SF.
TACIXAT 8y ago
I think you might just not be tuned into it. I've gone into the city 3 times since moving to San Jose and I've seen it every time. My girlfriend just did an interview in SF and the building she was interviewing at had feces smeared on the window.

loceng 8y ago

"Homeless drug addicts = Losing money" Imagine drug dealers actually cared about using some of their profits to take care of people, and hoping that they maintain the use of their drugs - helping the user become more productive, have more money, therefore be able to buy more drugs.. I suppose that's what legalizing drug use is all about, bringing it into the public eye, and allowing government and other health services more access to people to help them.

blfr 8y ago
Turning drug addicts into serfs like in Interstate 60[1]. Perhaps it would be an improvement but doesn't seem like a desirable end goal. [1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0165832/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0165832/