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Why Everyone Should #DeletePytho

13 points by phnk 8y ago

saagarjha 8y ago
There is a typo in the title of this post; it should end with “#DeletePython”.
- phnk 8y ago
  Indeed; sorry for that. I have no idea whether I can correct my submission.
mangecoeur 8y ago
...or not. Just because you got your knickers in a twist over python versions and you don't understand the use cases for multiple references to a mutable variable, doesn't mean no one else can understand these things.
juststeve 8y ago
unsubscribe
Insanity 8y ago
PyCharm is a pretty good IDE
jononor 8y ago
Everyone interoperates with numpy arrays for computational stuff. Wouldn't have been any better if it was in the standard library.
marmaduke 8y ago
All four of these are positive points for the projects I manage - 3 is nicer language to work in, transitions have been smooth - I like different package managers for different purposes (pip for source or pure Python, conda for heavy precompiled binary packages, apt/yum for system packages) - shallow copy makes memory management easier by default - no built in stats structure: if there was, it would be the hammer looking for nails everywhere. Ever worked in MATLAB? Everything is a goddamn matrix (not true anymore but still). A testament to the language and its extension APIs is that NumPy and Torch Tensors are very comfortable to work with yet aren’t built in data structures.
swedish_mafia 8y ago
#deletenanx.me Who is upvoting this garbage
- juststeve 8y ago
  This is literally a low quality shitpost in the form of an "article". i don't even dislike python
emersion 8y ago
R has a lot more issues than Python IMHO.
thont 8y ago
"no decent IDEs" because you generally don't need one.
- heavenlyblue 8y ago
  PyCharm is _the_ python IDE. I don't really see what could you possibly lack in it in terms of functionality.
  - thont 8y ago
    yeah, I agree. Updated with "quotes". Pycharm is pretty good. I use pycharm sometimes, but mostly, I use editor to work with python.
  - cf_ 8y ago
    Yeah, it's the problem with that article in general - the author doesn't appear to have decent experience in Python and if she/he really thinks PyCharm is not a decent IDE, then I don't really need to listen to the remaining story.
jahaja 8y ago
There's seem to be a pattern where some people consider simple languages an insult to their intelligence and will fight its adoption with whatever cheap shots that's available. This seems to be such a case.
zaarn 8y ago
IMO Recommending R as a replacement for Python is like recommending a VW Beetle rigged to explode if it hits more than 2mph as a replacement for a beat-up old family car that is missing two tires. Python might have it's pain points but R is straight up the most horrendous programming language I've ever used, including Malbolge and Brainfuck in that ranking. The only valid reason people ever present me for using this language is "a lot of other people wrote stuff that is relevant for statistics in R and why throw away all that work?".
- vixen99 8y ago
  its pain points
hawkice 8y ago
PSA: If you are using Ubuntu, deleting Python may break your boot process.
dpwm 8y ago
Seems more like an attack on a straw-man Python ecosystem. Section 1, on there being two versions of Python, is a bit daft. It's been settled: use 3. Sections 2, 3 and 4 are attacking Python for not behaving in the way R does. For what it's worth, everyone struggles with objects being passed as references at some point or other -- for me it was not realising keyword function arguments' default values are evaluated at definition time, not call time. In any case, the alternatives would not work in Python. Section 5 is attacking Python for not having RStudio. Personally, as a long term vim user, I've recently tried Spacemacs and found being able to paste to REPL a huge time-saving feature. I'm sure there are plugins for vim that can do this too, it's just it was enabled and discoverable in spacemacs. I get that R is good for statistics. It's probably better than Python for stats. But Python is a general purpose language that really gets a lot right, which is probably one of the reasons for its growing popularity in Machine Learning.
- marmaduke 8y ago
  I realize the default kwarg thing trips people up, but there’s always been this great pair of pages in the Python docs titled Data and Execution models. They take an hour or two to read, but make the language so crystal clear.
gfdgfdg 8y ago
#deletenanx.me
ur-whale 8y ago
>To do this in R, we merely need to do b = a. When we modify b, a will not be affected. Life is beautiful. Life is not beautiful. It is simple-minded. Also: slow.
cf_ 8y ago
I agree that R has it's benefits, but zero of the points in that article appear solid when you actually spend time with Python. Have to choose Python 2 or 3 for a new project? Guess what, pick version 3, because you know - you could say the same thing about Ubuntu 16.04 or 18.04 ?
estevaovix 8y ago
Just be happy with R if it suits you better, no point in writing an article about #deletepython
dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
How on Earth did this make it to the front page?
bryceberny 8y ago
This article is a piece of shit that doesn't present any major shortcomings of the Python language. Additionally, it's simply incorrect in its claim about Python's copy semantics for variables. This is the garbage that makes HN stink.

13 points by phnk 8y ago

saagarjha 8y ago

There is a typo in the title of this post; it should end with “#DeletePython”.

phnk 8y ago
Indeed; sorry for that. I have no idea whether I can correct my submission.

mangecoeur 8y ago

...or not. Just because you got your knickers in a twist over python versions and you don't understand the use cases for multiple references to a mutable variable, doesn't mean no one else can understand these things.

juststeve 8y ago

unsubscribe

Insanity 8y ago

PyCharm is a pretty good IDE

jononor 8y ago

Everyone interoperates with numpy arrays for computational stuff. Wouldn't have been any better if it was in the standard library.

marmaduke 8y ago

All four of these are positive points for the projects I manage - 3 is nicer language to work in, transitions have been smooth - I like different package managers for different purposes (pip for source or pure Python, conda for heavy precompiled binary packages, apt/yum for system packages) - shallow copy makes memory management easier by default - no built in stats structure: if there was, it would be the hammer looking for nails everywhere. Ever worked in MATLAB? Everything is a goddamn matrix (not true anymore but still). A testament to the language and its extension APIs is that NumPy and Torch Tensors are very comfortable to work with yet aren’t built in data structures.

swedish_mafia 8y ago

#deletenanx.me Who is upvoting this garbage

juststeve 8y ago
This is literally a low quality shitpost in the form of an "article". i don't even dislike python

emersion 8y ago

R has a lot more issues than Python IMHO.

thont 8y ago

"no decent IDEs" because you generally don't need one.

heavenlyblue 8y ago
PyCharm is _the_ python IDE. I don't really see what could you possibly lack in it in terms of functionality.
- thont 8y ago
  yeah, I agree. Updated with "quotes". Pycharm is pretty good. I use pycharm sometimes, but mostly, I use editor to work with python.
- cf_ 8y ago
  Yeah, it's the problem with that article in general - the author doesn't appear to have decent experience in Python and if she/he really thinks PyCharm is not a decent IDE, then I don't really need to listen to the remaining story.

jahaja 8y ago

There's seem to be a pattern where some people consider simple languages an insult to their intelligence and will fight its adoption with whatever cheap shots that's available. This seems to be such a case.

zaarn 8y ago

IMO Recommending R as a replacement for Python is like recommending a VW Beetle rigged to explode if it hits more than 2mph as a replacement for a beat-up old family car that is missing two tires. Python might have it's pain points but R is straight up the most horrendous programming language I've ever used, including Malbolge and Brainfuck in that ranking. The only valid reason people ever present me for using this language is "a lot of other people wrote stuff that is relevant for statistics in R and why throw away all that work?".

vixen99 8y ago
its pain points

hawkice 8y ago

PSA: If you are using Ubuntu, deleting Python may break your boot process.

dpwm 8y ago

Seems more like an attack on a straw-man Python ecosystem. Section 1, on there being two versions of Python, is a bit daft. It's been settled: use 3. Sections 2, 3 and 4 are attacking Python for not behaving in the way R does. For what it's worth, everyone struggles with objects being passed as references at some point or other -- for me it was not realising keyword function arguments' default values are evaluated at definition time, not call time. In any case, the alternatives would not work in Python. Section 5 is attacking Python for not having RStudio. Personally, as a long term vim user, I've recently tried Spacemacs and found being able to paste to REPL a huge time-saving feature. I'm sure there are plugins for vim that can do this too, it's just it was enabled and discoverable in spacemacs. I get that R is good for statistics. It's probably better than Python for stats. But Python is a general purpose language that really gets a lot right, which is probably one of the reasons for its growing popularity in Machine Learning.

marmaduke 8y ago
I realize the default kwarg thing trips people up, but there’s always been this great pair of pages in the Python docs titled Data and Execution models. They take an hour or two to read, but make the language so crystal clear.

gfdgfdg 8y ago

#deletenanx.me

ur-whale 8y ago

>To do this in R, we merely need to do b = a. When we modify b, a will not be affected. Life is beautiful. Life is not beautiful. It is simple-minded. Also: slow.

cf_ 8y ago

I agree that R has it's benefits, but zero of the points in that article appear solid when you actually spend time with Python. Have to choose Python 2 or 3 for a new project? Guess what, pick version 3, because you know - you could say the same thing about Ubuntu 16.04 or 18.04 ?

estevaovix 8y ago

Just be happy with R if it suits you better, no point in writing an article about #deletepython

dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago

How on Earth did this make it to the front page?

bryceberny 8y ago

This article is a piece of shit that doesn't present any major shortcomings of the Python language. Additionally, it's simply incorrect in its claim about Python's copy semantics for variables. This is the garbage that makes HN stink.