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Employment helps social stability but money-only doesn't. While stipend for low-incomers also exists in China, gov really wants more people earn a living throug

Employment helps social stability but money-only doesn't. While stipend for low-incomers also exists in China, gov really wants more people earn a living through working. IMO, the benefits are: 1. It puts people into time schedules, not floating around. 2. Makes them integrated into a "work community". 3. These jobs still help, not purely "created". 4. Employer will have some insurances and coverages. Over years I agree that many jobs diminished with the introduction of machines (vacuum trucks, etc.). It would be a tough job for the government to find more positions in this kind.

XorNot 8y ago
This is a worthwhile point really - job scheduling is a good way to pacify a population, which helps everyone. Having people hanging around bored is one of the sure-fire ways to get unrest.
- njarboe 8y ago
  Especially when "people" are young, single men.
  - gcb0 8y ago
    seems to have helped everyone in this board during yours childhood and teen years, when you could just play games and learn to code, which became most people here trade. but yeah, if you missed that by not being born rich, work until your back break, to build character or some other bs.
    - njarboe 8y ago
      If you are playing games and learning to code, you are not bored and definitely not the type of young men I was talking about.
      - gcb0 8y ago
        you probably will not be able to complete that sentence without being called racist, xenophobic or both.
- ethbro 8y ago
  Or, you could simply pay everyone a stipend and then drug them into barely functional stupors for 10 hours a day. Same result. The missed point in "someone spending time on a meaningless job promotes social stability" is that you're forcing (via money and requiring same for sustenance) an individual to spend most of their life in a meaningless way in order to survive. Is it a solution to resolving social unrest? Yes. But let's not kid ourselves about what's actually being done. * To say nothing of the argument that by artificially depressing wages you make your economy dependent on manual labor, limiting re-investment in automation, thereby eventually dooming yourself when other countries have cheaper labor / cost-effective automation
starky 8y ago
The CCP does a really good job at keeping (enough) of the populace happy so that there is little to no risk of unrest that could affect their power. A main pillar of this is the social benefits of having people employed in particular your points 1 and 2.
- gotocake 8y ago
  Plus they have a really really big stick they don’t hestitate to use. It’s not all carrot by any means, it’s more along the lines of “plomo o plata” with a demonstrable history of going massively overboard with the lead.
  - azurezyq 8y ago
    I don't think ccp throws anyone overboard for not working. Could you please elaborate?
    - santoriv 8y ago
      I think he was referring to the stick to combat unrest. See, for example, the hundreds of thousands of Uyghurs imprisoned in internment camps in Western China. https://www.vox.com/2018/10/24/18018282/china-reeducation-camps-uighur-muslims https://www.vox.com/2018/10/24/18018282/china-reeducation-ca...
- TangoTrotFox 8y ago
  In my opinion it's more about removing 'rabble rousers' than keeping people happy. We have a lot of internal strife in the US, but I'd be extremely surprised if all of the upset and discontent was not being fomented by something like 0.1% of the population. This is one thing that bothers me. I value free speech above all, but that comes at a massive price since it, without doubt, can have a major and negative destabilizing force on a nation. Perhaps the solution is not having nations with hundreds of millions of people under one government.
  - Kaveren 8y ago
felipelemos 8y ago
Employment also gives him purpose and dignity.

XorNot 8y ago

This is a worthwhile point really - job scheduling is a good way to pacify a population, which helps everyone. Having people hanging around bored is one of the sure-fire ways to get unrest.

njarboe 8y ago
Especially when "people" are young, single men.
- gcb0 8y ago
  seems to have helped everyone in this board during yours childhood and teen years, when you could just play games and learn to code, which became most people here trade. but yeah, if you missed that by not being born rich, work until your back break, to build character or some other bs.
  - njarboe 8y ago
    If you are playing games and learning to code, you are not bored and definitely not the type of young men I was talking about.
    - gcb0 8y ago
      you probably will not be able to complete that sentence without being called racist, xenophobic or both.
ethbro 8y ago
Or, you could simply pay everyone a stipend and then drug them into barely functional stupors for 10 hours a day. Same result. The missed point in "someone spending time on a meaningless job promotes social stability" is that you're forcing (via money and requiring same for sustenance) an individual to spend most of their life in a meaningless way in order to survive. Is it a solution to resolving social unrest? Yes. But let's not kid ourselves about what's actually being done. * To say nothing of the argument that by artificially depressing wages you make your economy dependent on manual labor, limiting re-investment in automation, thereby eventually dooming yourself when other countries have cheaper labor / cost-effective automation

starky 8y ago

The CCP does a really good job at keeping (enough) of the populace happy so that there is little to no risk of unrest that could affect their power. A main pillar of this is the social benefits of having people employed in particular your points 1 and 2.

gotocake 8y ago
Plus they have a really really big stick they don’t hestitate to use. It’s not all carrot by any means, it’s more along the lines of “plomo o plata” with a demonstrable history of going massively overboard with the lead.
- azurezyq 8y ago
  I don't think ccp throws anyone overboard for not working. Could you please elaborate?
  - santoriv 8y ago
    I think he was referring to the stick to combat unrest. See, for example, the hundreds of thousands of Uyghurs imprisoned in internment camps in Western China. https://www.vox.com/2018/10/24/18018282/china-reeducation-camps-uighur-muslims https://www.vox.com/2018/10/24/18018282/china-reeducation-ca...
TangoTrotFox 8y ago
In my opinion it's more about removing 'rabble rousers' than keeping people happy. We have a lot of internal strife in the US, but I'd be extremely surprised if all of the upset and discontent was not being fomented by something like 0.1% of the population. This is one thing that bothers me. I value free speech above all, but that comes at a massive price since it, without doubt, can have a major and negative destabilizing force on a nation. Perhaps the solution is not having nations with hundreds of millions of people under one government.
- Kaveren 8y ago

felipelemos 8y ago

Employment also gives him purpose and dignity.