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Most companies have something in their ToS to the effect of "we can do whatever we want" -- that doesn't mean they're all the same. For example, Stripe and PayP
by Meekro 8y ago
Most companies have something in their ToS to the effect of "we can do whatever we want" -- that doesn't mean they're all the same. For example, Stripe and PayPal both have essentially the same ToS. But only PayPal has so many "banned for no reason" horror stories that there are multiple websites dedicated to cataloging them.
- yzmtf2008 8y agoDon’t conflate this story with “banned for no reason”. There are plenty of reasons to ban Gab.
- dev_dull 8y agoAre they doing anything illegal?
- VectorLock 8y agoDo they have to be?
- millzlane 8y agoYou don't have to do anyting illegal for me not to want to conduct business with you.
- FreeSpeechlover 8y agoPaypal generally doesn't pull out of business unless its illegal. It was a bad move by paypal because 800000 gab users who did nothing wrong are now inconvenienced
- threeseed 8y agoIn most countries, yes. But illegality is not the issue here. People simply have a right not to be associated with hate.
- tinalumfoil 8y ago> a right not to be associated with hate This is neither a right in any theoretical system of human rights I've seen, nor is there any practical way to disassociate people from a basic human emotion.
- village-idiot 8y agoFree association implies the freedom to not associate. You can’t make people be associated with hate groups. Also, don’t be cute about “hate”. We aren’t talking about the human emotion and you know it.
- tinalumfoil 8y agoIn the context of this conversation people don't have the right to disassociate with anyone they don't like. I'm not being "cute" about hate, and whatever you think hate is isn't relevant to my point. People simply do not have the right to do business with others chosen entirely from their own personal discretion. The US government can and does force businesses to provide services, at the risk of that business's existence, to unsavory entities.
- village-idiot 8y agoAffiliation with a hate group is not a protected characteristic.
- FreeSpeechlover 8y agoWe dont live in a 3rd world country where free speech is illegal. Or a middle east country where you get stoned to death for being gay. We live in free speech america.. Gab did nothing wrong, and you pointing to the laws of 3rd worlds is a red herring
- jesssse 8y agoBanning Gab is an attack on Free Speech.
- happytoexplain 8y agoI strongly believe that it's not.
- jesssse 8y agoIf PayPal bans Gab because they dislike the speech available on Gab, it is literally an attack on Free Speech. I understand you feel differently.
- vanderreeah 8y agoI don't know what Gab is, or what its typical content is like, though I'm getting an idea from the replies to this tweet. But the principle of free speech has nothing to do with the right of a company to use Paypal's services. It's to do with the right of individuals to say what they like without government incarcerating or otherwise harming them or their ability to speak.
- jesssse 8y agoIf an entity stifles speech that entity is against Free Speech.
- village-idiot 8y agoIf your belief is that PayPal doing business with Gab is free speech, you have no idea what free speech is.
- pcwalton 8y agoPayPal isn't the government.
- jesssse 8y ago
- blackflame7000 8y agoPaypal banned me when I was 12 for using a 20% off coupon to buy a pencil from myself for $500. Let me keep the $100 after holding the $500 for 6 months. Best CD ive ever had.
- oliwarner 8y agoMost of PayPal's horror stories involve them holding funds back for three months after suspension. Or worse, returning funds after dispatch.
- cpncrunch 8y ago>But only PayPal has so many "banned for no reason" horror stories There is always a reason. The reason this time is probably: "Gab is a popular gathering place for alt-right activists and white nationalists whose views are unwelcome or banned on other social media platforms. Early members included the right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos and Andrew Anglin, the founder of the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer website. Other well known users have included controversial media personalities Alex Jones and Carl Benjamin." https://globalnews.ca/news/4604015/gab-pittsburgh-shooting-free-speech/ https://globalnews.ca/news/4604015/gab-pittsburgh-shooting-f...