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So we should skip Scratch for kids and go straight to Java? Static types and Object Oriented Programming are better ways, I think most of us will agree? I wan
by jimnotgym 8y ago
So we should skip Scratch for kids and go straight to Java?
Static types and Object Oriented Programming are better ways, I think most of us will agree?
I want to give noobs a taste of the magic of programming immediately
10 Print "hello"
20 GOTO 10
Is something anyone who can read could understand.
Even the relatively simple
while True:
print("Hello")
Has several concepts to explain before you can understand it.
- jacquesm 8y agoI do not think the Scratch vs Java comparison is a fair one here. There is nothing wrong with Scratch. But bad Scratch vs good Scratch or bad Java vs good Java would be a fair comparison and in those cases I would advocate for teaching the right thing from the start.
- protomyth 8y ago> Static types and Object Oriented Programming are better ways, I think most of us will agree? I'm pretty sure you won't find near universal agreement on either.
- reificator 8y ago> Static types and Object Oriented Programming are better ways, I think most of us will agree? No.... I'm with you on static typing but disagree with OO. I know other developers I strongly respect with every permutation. Personally, I probably wouldn't object to OO so much if Java weren't such a commonly taught first language, which gets right back to the discussion at hand.
- stevekemp 8y agoAfter I got the tokenizer working the first thing I did was implement "PRINT" and "GOTO". Specifically so that I could write: 10 PRINT "STEVE IS AWESOME!" 20 GOTO 10 Everything else was added after that, which is why the PRINT function is the oldest and worst code (until this evening).
- jacquesm 8y agoI still have a BBC basic re-implementation in C floating around here, code written in 1989, would that help you? If so I'll be happy to tar it up and send it to you.