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Mass resignations threatened like after the James Damore memo? Doubt it. Sexual misconduct is more acceptable at Google than writing gender biased dogma.

craftyguy 8y ago
It's also acceptable for our head of state, so expectations for justice are extremely low.
- ISL 8y ago
  It is not acceptable for our head of state.
  - sincerely 8y ago
    ...it seems like it is though. Curious why you'd say it isn't.
    - UncleEntity 8y ago
      One of our heads of state got impeached for (lying about) sexual misconduct so there's that.
      - craftyguy 8y ago
        So your point is entirely different then. Lying trumps (no pun intended) sexual misconduct.
        zaroth 8y ago
        Perjury is a crime, for starters.
        craftyguy 8y ago
        Yes it is. They both are, technically (e.g. sexual harassment). Somehow sexual misconduct does not conjure nearly the same negative response that perjury does, and candidates/world leaders get a free pass for that one.
        zaroth 8y ago
        Sexual harassment is a civil matter not a criminal one. Sexual assault is a different matter.
        UncleEntity 8y ago
        No, they were investigating cases of sexual misconduct but the lying about it is what stuck. If there was a "free ride program" they wouldn't even have investigated it.
        dragonwriter 8y ago
        > No, they were investigating cases of sexual misconduct Actually, real estate transactions.
      - krapp 8y ago
        Yeah, but sexual misconduct itself is clearly not the problem, so much as being of the wrong political party. As much flack as Trump (justifiably) takes for the remarks he made about how a celebrity like himself "can do anything" to women and "grab 'em by the pussy", he wasn't entirely wrong. Society has always seen sexual aggression by rich and powerful men as a signal of authority and virility.
    - ISL 8y ago
      One can readily argue that roughly 270 elected representatives appear to regard it as insufficiently unacceptable as to require corrective action in light of a broader political context. That doesn't mean something is, in isolation, acceptable.
- zaroth 8y ago
  And has been since just about the dawn of the Republic. Turns out you don’t have to be a Saint to be leader of the free world. Might go as far to say that a Saint wouldn’t be particularly well suited for the job.
  - craftyguy 8y ago
    Since we've presumably never had a 'saint', how would we know that they wouldn't be better for the job? It's hard to imagine that someone who had integrity and respected other genders would make a worse leader, so I'm interested in why you'd thing so.
    - zaroth 8y ago
      There’s a pretty wide margin between having integrity and respecting other genders, and Sainthood. IMO, I think that down on planet Earth two people may get into a sexual relationship that is anywhere from uncouth to unwise to unacceptable to illegal. As long as these affairs are consensual my own position is who the heck am I to judge? Further, someone who is so abjectly in control of their passion — someone who is so dispassionate — I think would have a hard time fighting so hard day in and day out for a grueling 4 or 8 years. Good leaders tend to have the personality, charisma, confidence, and ambition that they will go after the things they want even if it means some rules or social mores will be broken. To even think oneself possible of leading the Free World does require a certain arrogance. I certainly wouldn’t want a President feeling imposter syndrome in the Oval Office, even though it is certain to happen to some extent.

craftyguy 8y ago

It's also acceptable for our head of state, so expectations for justice are extremely low.

ISL 8y ago
It is not acceptable for our head of state.
- sincerely 8y ago
  ...it seems like it is though. Curious why you'd say it isn't.
  - UncleEntity 8y ago
    One of our heads of state got impeached for (lying about) sexual misconduct so there's that.
    - craftyguy 8y ago
      So your point is entirely different then. Lying trumps (no pun intended) sexual misconduct.
      - zaroth 8y ago
        Perjury is a crime, for starters.
        craftyguy 8y ago
        Yes it is. They both are, technically (e.g. sexual harassment). Somehow sexual misconduct does not conjure nearly the same negative response that perjury does, and candidates/world leaders get a free pass for that one.
        zaroth 8y ago
        Sexual harassment is a civil matter not a criminal one. Sexual assault is a different matter.
      - UncleEntity 8y ago
        No, they were investigating cases of sexual misconduct but the lying about it is what stuck. If there was a "free ride program" they wouldn't even have investigated it.
        dragonwriter 8y ago
        > No, they were investigating cases of sexual misconduct Actually, real estate transactions.
    - krapp 8y ago
      Yeah, but sexual misconduct itself is clearly not the problem, so much as being of the wrong political party. As much flack as Trump (justifiably) takes for the remarks he made about how a celebrity like himself "can do anything" to women and "grab 'em by the pussy", he wasn't entirely wrong. Society has always seen sexual aggression by rich and powerful men as a signal of authority and virility.
  - ISL 8y ago
    One can readily argue that roughly 270 elected representatives appear to regard it as insufficiently unacceptable as to require corrective action in light of a broader political context. That doesn't mean something is, in isolation, acceptable.
zaroth 8y ago
And has been since just about the dawn of the Republic. Turns out you don’t have to be a Saint to be leader of the free world. Might go as far to say that a Saint wouldn’t be particularly well suited for the job.
- craftyguy 8y ago
  Since we've presumably never had a 'saint', how would we know that they wouldn't be better for the job? It's hard to imagine that someone who had integrity and respected other genders would make a worse leader, so I'm interested in why you'd thing so.
  - zaroth 8y ago
    There’s a pretty wide margin between having integrity and respecting other genders, and Sainthood. IMO, I think that down on planet Earth two people may get into a sexual relationship that is anywhere from uncouth to unwise to unacceptable to illegal. As long as these affairs are consensual my own position is who the heck am I to judge? Further, someone who is so abjectly in control of their passion — someone who is so dispassionate — I think would have a hard time fighting so hard day in and day out for a grueling 4 or 8 years. Good leaders tend to have the personality, charisma, confidence, and ambition that they will go after the things they want even if it means some rules or social mores will be broken. To even think oneself possible of leading the Free World does require a certain arrogance. I certainly wouldn’t want a President feeling imposter syndrome in the Oval Office, even though it is certain to happen to some extent.