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I don't like DST and think that instead the time zone offset should be set so that 12:00 is at approximately solar noon, and then count the seconds without chan

I don't like DST and think that instead the time zone offset should be set so that 12:00 is at approximately solar noon, and then count the seconds without changing for DST or anything else.

glandium 8y ago
Where I live, solar noon is around 11:30am. The sun rising at 4:30am and setting at 6:30pm in the summer is sad. It's even worse in the winter when the sun sets at 4:30pm. (And I come from a country where solar noon is 2pm in the summer, making evenings quite enjoyable)
- zzo38computer 8y ago
  My opinion is, if you do not want to have dinner when it is dark, then have dinner when it is not dark. It is dark or light depending on what season, and what location, rather than the clock, anyways, whether you use DST or not. The clock is good can tell you the time and how much time is passed and to synchronize the schedule for TV shows and cron events on computer and whatever, but is dark independently from that. If solar noon is at approximately 12:00 then the time doesn't jump (causing many problems with appointments and complications with other stuff that it doesn't need), and it will match with a sundial approximately and closely enough, but also that between for example 01:00 and 13:00 is going to be twelve hours, without needing to deal with DST. (Avoiding DST is simplifying the computer programming too, as well as many other stuff too, so that is also good.)
  - raquo 8y ago
    That's not how real life works. For most people it's exactly the clock on the wall that determines when they go home and have dinner.
randyrand 8y ago
Why is that important to you? Never once have I cared that solar noon is not 12:00.
- Symbiote 8y ago
  It's worth keeping Greenwich Mean Time as the time used in Greenwich, London and Britain. When arranging meetings etc, it's sometimes confusing to people far away from Britain that, during the summer, it's not "GMT" in London. That would be worse if Britain decided to use GMT+1 permanently. What other countries do leads on from that, otherwise there's not much point to timezones.
  - toyg 8y ago
    No, it’s worth dropping the anglocentric “GMT” altogether and using UTC everywhere instead. Let’s decouple time measurement from accidents of history, and make rational choices about what we want our life to be in the future, rather than being shackled by pointless traditions.
    - 8bitsrule 8y ago
      Oh, man, gotta let our British friends hold on to something of empire. ;->
8bitsrule 8y ago
Occurs to me that, technically, for those of us who are wired, we could end this eternal time-battle once and for all. Since we're having our locations tracked anyway, each of us could be our own time-zone, have whatever time each of us wants... on a whim. Coordinated-by-device-times! This week we might go mostly-retro and arrange our meetings by local-solar-noon. Next week, full-retro, by local moon-phase.

I don't like DST and think that instead the time zone offset should be set so that 12:00 is at approximately solar noon, and then count the seconds without changing for DST or anything else.

glandium 8y ago

Where I live, solar noon is around 11:30am. The sun rising at 4:30am and setting at 6:30pm in the summer is sad. It's even worse in the winter when the sun sets at 4:30pm. (And I come from a country where solar noon is 2pm in the summer, making evenings quite enjoyable)

zzo38computer 8y ago
My opinion is, if you do not want to have dinner when it is dark, then have dinner when it is not dark. It is dark or light depending on what season, and what location, rather than the clock, anyways, whether you use DST or not. The clock is good can tell you the time and how much time is passed and to synchronize the schedule for TV shows and cron events on computer and whatever, but is dark independently from that. If solar noon is at approximately 12:00 then the time doesn't jump (causing many problems with appointments and complications with other stuff that it doesn't need), and it will match with a sundial approximately and closely enough, but also that between for example 01:00 and 13:00 is going to be twelve hours, without needing to deal with DST. (Avoiding DST is simplifying the computer programming too, as well as many other stuff too, so that is also good.)
- raquo 8y ago
  That's not how real life works. For most people it's exactly the clock on the wall that determines when they go home and have dinner.

randyrand 8y ago

Why is that important to you? Never once have I cared that solar noon is not 12:00.

Symbiote 8y ago
It's worth keeping Greenwich Mean Time as the time used in Greenwich, London and Britain. When arranging meetings etc, it's sometimes confusing to people far away from Britain that, during the summer, it's not "GMT" in London. That would be worse if Britain decided to use GMT+1 permanently. What other countries do leads on from that, otherwise there's not much point to timezones.
- toyg 8y ago
  No, it’s worth dropping the anglocentric “GMT” altogether and using UTC everywhere instead. Let’s decouple time measurement from accidents of history, and make rational choices about what we want our life to be in the future, rather than being shackled by pointless traditions.
  - 8bitsrule 8y ago
    Oh, man, gotta let our British friends hold on to something of empire. ;->

8bitsrule 8y ago

Occurs to me that, technically, for those of us who are wired, we could end this eternal time-battle once and for all. Since we're having our locations tracked anyway, each of us could be our own time-zone, have whatever time each of us wants... on a whim. Coordinated-by-device-times! This week we might go mostly-retro and arrange our meetings by local-solar-noon. Next week, full-retro, by local moon-phase.