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Türkiye did this a few years ago. Working remotely from here for a California company has been less than fun during the winter as my work day now ends at 21:00,

Türkiye did this a few years ago. Working remotely from here for a California company has been less than fun during the winter as my work day now ends at 21:00, severely hampering evening social / music outings.

egeozcan 8y ago
You are working remotely, I'm sure you will find the flexibility to adjust your working hours by at least 1-2 hours? By the way, is there a reason you called it Türkiye instead of Turkey?
- toyg 8y ago
  It’s the native spelling, a bit like Beijing vs Peking. I reckon he’s a Turk and so he’s entitled to call his homeland what he wants :)
  - umanwizard 8y ago
    No, the native spelling is 北京. Beijing and Peking are two different foreign spellings. The commenter who called it Türkiye claims to be from the USA in his or her bio.
    - toyg 8y ago
      Beijing is the transliteration preferred by Chinese authorities [1], not just “a foreign spelling”. [1] https://www.economist.com/johnson/2010/11/11/beijing-or-peking https://www.economist.com/johnson/2010/11/11/beijing-or-peki...
      - umanwizard 8y ago
        Okay. Regardless, it is the commonly accepted English spelling (whereas Peking is not), and is not used in Chinese (except in unusual situations). So comparing it to Türkiye vs Turkey makes no sense, which was my point.
        toyg 8y ago
        It is the word the Chinese would like non-Chinese to use when talking about the city. It’s a classic example of modern cultural re-appropriation, because Peking was the widely-accepted transliteration - until attitudes (and power) changed and the Chinese asked the world to use Beijing instead. It wouldn’t be particularly far-fetched to imagine Turks might also ask the world, eventually, to use their own spelling to refer to the country - especially considering the unfortunate overlap of the word “turkey” in English.
        trepanne 8y ago
        > Peking was the widely-accepted transliteration - until attitudes (and power) changed and the Chinese asked the world to use Beijing instead. An interesting exception is [Peking University](http://english.pku.edu.cn/ http://english.pku.edu.cn/) which elected (and was permitted) to retain its venerable Romanized style.
        gsich 8y ago
        Still "Peking" in german.
        realusername 8y ago
        Same in France, it's still "Pékin", I suspect Beijing will never take off since it's harder to pronounce.
        johnchristopher 8y ago
        You could spell it "Beijing" and keep pronouncing it "Pékin" :). I remember hearing "Bé-ying" and "Bé-jing" once on french radio/TV.
        Freak_NL 8y ago
        Interesting, even the German newspapers still use Peking. The shift to Beijing did happen in Dutch, without too much fuss. Peking is now only used for the duck recipe (Pekingeend). Odd really, because Beijing is kind of unique in this aspect. For most capitals the Dutch name is consequently used (Berlijn/Parijs vs. Berlin/Paris).
    - Balgair 8y ago
      The original commenter's HN profile links to his LI account here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nomadicengineer/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/nomadicengineer/ . He states that he lives in Turkey currently, but spent a lot of time in the US. Most famously, the commenter was the only sysadmin for frickin' Napster! Wow! So, yeah, he's legit! Mr. Halligan, how was Napster back in those days? Like, do you have a blog about that time period?
      - expathacker 8y ago
        > Mr. Halligan, how was Napster back in those days? Like, do you have a blog about that time period? I was the "only" sysadmin when I was at Napster (We had 2 people in desktop support/it, one of whom actually died a few years later. The guy I replaced, Stephen Fountain, was actually shot to death by police). We hired 2 more a week or two before I left. It was a shit-show that I prefer to forget. (I'm also not at all proud of my work there. I was an unprofessional, somewhat incompetent 19 year-old workaholic who worked 100 hours a week and did a half-assed job at everything, which in the end actually was a huge net-negative to the organization, and myself!)
        expathacker 8y ago
        Hrm, thinking through this more, one of those guys from IT, Ryan, a big-hearted (literally) lumberjack of a guy died of congestive heart failure. Then our CEO died on his bicycle a few years back, and there was also a suicide of one of the developers. It was a cursed company.
        Balgair 8y ago
        Oh Jesus! I'm sorry for your losses. I just lost a good friend before his time, as well. It's never easy and the hole just stays there. Thank you for the VERY frank responses, I appreciate the effort and the time. As a follow-up question, do you think the 100 hour weeks had diminishing returns after what point, if at all? Also, how is the work-life balance in Turkey in general? Again, my condolences on your losses.
  - egeozcan 8y ago
    Funnily, I am the Turk in this conversation. I asked because I just found it weird. Not questioning anyone's entitlement^^
    - expathacker 8y ago
      The real answer: I try to primarily type with my keyboard set to Turkish, which means autocorrect always changes this to the native spelling.
- expathacker 8y ago
  Well, I have an active social life, and I'm not a big fan of working in the evening, so sure I can adjust it, but it's frustrating. Turkey is a bird. The Turkish word for Turkey is Hindi (which is funny, because the Turkish word for India is Hindistan, -stan means country, so a literal translation of Hindistan is "Country of Turkey") Türkiye is the Turkish spelling for the Republic of Turkey.
  - umanwizard 8y ago
    The bird "turkey" is named after the country.

egeozcan 8y ago

You are working remotely, I'm sure you will find the flexibility to adjust your working hours by at least 1-2 hours? By the way, is there a reason you called it Türkiye instead of Turkey?

toyg 8y ago
It’s the native spelling, a bit like Beijing vs Peking. I reckon he’s a Turk and so he’s entitled to call his homeland what he wants :)
- umanwizard 8y ago
  No, the native spelling is 北京. Beijing and Peking are two different foreign spellings. The commenter who called it Türkiye claims to be from the USA in his or her bio.
  - toyg 8y ago
    Beijing is the transliteration preferred by Chinese authorities [1], not just “a foreign spelling”. [1] https://www.economist.com/johnson/2010/11/11/beijing-or-peking https://www.economist.com/johnson/2010/11/11/beijing-or-peki...
    - umanwizard 8y ago
      Okay. Regardless, it is the commonly accepted English spelling (whereas Peking is not), and is not used in Chinese (except in unusual situations). So comparing it to Türkiye vs Turkey makes no sense, which was my point.
      - toyg 8y ago
        It is the word the Chinese would like non-Chinese to use when talking about the city. It’s a classic example of modern cultural re-appropriation, because Peking was the widely-accepted transliteration - until attitudes (and power) changed and the Chinese asked the world to use Beijing instead. It wouldn’t be particularly far-fetched to imagine Turks might also ask the world, eventually, to use their own spelling to refer to the country - especially considering the unfortunate overlap of the word “turkey” in English.
        trepanne 8y ago
        > Peking was the widely-accepted transliteration - until attitudes (and power) changed and the Chinese asked the world to use Beijing instead. An interesting exception is [Peking University](http://english.pku.edu.cn/ http://english.pku.edu.cn/) which elected (and was permitted) to retain its venerable Romanized style.
        gsich 8y ago
        Still "Peking" in german.
        realusername 8y ago
        Same in France, it's still "Pékin", I suspect Beijing will never take off since it's harder to pronounce.
        johnchristopher 8y ago
        You could spell it "Beijing" and keep pronouncing it "Pékin" :). I remember hearing "Bé-ying" and "Bé-jing" once on french radio/TV.
        Freak_NL 8y ago
        Interesting, even the German newspapers still use Peking. The shift to Beijing did happen in Dutch, without too much fuss. Peking is now only used for the duck recipe (Pekingeend). Odd really, because Beijing is kind of unique in this aspect. For most capitals the Dutch name is consequently used (Berlijn/Parijs vs. Berlin/Paris).
  - Balgair 8y ago
    The original commenter's HN profile links to his LI account here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nomadicengineer/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/nomadicengineer/ . He states that he lives in Turkey currently, but spent a lot of time in the US. Most famously, the commenter was the only sysadmin for frickin' Napster! Wow! So, yeah, he's legit! Mr. Halligan, how was Napster back in those days? Like, do you have a blog about that time period?
    - expathacker 8y ago
      > Mr. Halligan, how was Napster back in those days? Like, do you have a blog about that time period? I was the "only" sysadmin when I was at Napster (We had 2 people in desktop support/it, one of whom actually died a few years later. The guy I replaced, Stephen Fountain, was actually shot to death by police). We hired 2 more a week or two before I left. It was a shit-show that I prefer to forget. (I'm also not at all proud of my work there. I was an unprofessional, somewhat incompetent 19 year-old workaholic who worked 100 hours a week and did a half-assed job at everything, which in the end actually was a huge net-negative to the organization, and myself!)
      - expathacker 8y ago
        Hrm, thinking through this more, one of those guys from IT, Ryan, a big-hearted (literally) lumberjack of a guy died of congestive heart failure. Then our CEO died on his bicycle a few years back, and there was also a suicide of one of the developers. It was a cursed company.
        Balgair 8y ago
        Oh Jesus! I'm sorry for your losses. I just lost a good friend before his time, as well. It's never easy and the hole just stays there. Thank you for the VERY frank responses, I appreciate the effort and the time. As a follow-up question, do you think the 100 hour weeks had diminishing returns after what point, if at all? Also, how is the work-life balance in Turkey in general? Again, my condolences on your losses.
- egeozcan 8y ago
  Funnily, I am the Turk in this conversation. I asked because I just found it weird. Not questioning anyone's entitlement^^
  - expathacker 8y ago
    The real answer: I try to primarily type with my keyboard set to Turkish, which means autocorrect always changes this to the native spelling.
expathacker 8y ago
Well, I have an active social life, and I'm not a big fan of working in the evening, so sure I can adjust it, but it's frustrating. Turkey is a bird. The Turkish word for Turkey is Hindi (which is funny, because the Turkish word for India is Hindistan, -stan means country, so a literal translation of Hindistan is "Country of Turkey") Türkiye is the Turkish spelling for the Republic of Turkey.
- umanwizard 8y ago
  The bird "turkey" is named after the country.