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Let's not sugar coat this, the CCP is engaging in systematic ethnic cleansing. They are trying Cultural Revolution style reeducation and surveillance first, but

Let's not sugar coat this, the CCP is engaging in systematic ethnic cleansing. They are trying Cultural Revolution style reeducation and surveillance first, but who knows how many will die in the camps. This level of repression makes Northern Ireland look like a tea party. If it weren't that Xinjiang is so poor I'd think it inevitable that there would be armed resistance -- without a crop like opium the Taliban wouldn't have IEDs or guns. The CCP is mad to think they can erase Islam by forcing the locals to eat pork and taking away their children.

throwaway4652 8y ago
I thought these current policies are a reaction to the armed terrorist attacks that happened in the past few years? Like the one at the train station that hurt hundreds of people?
- angry_octet 8y ago
  No, this has been going on for decades. Mostly as a soft policy, allowing people to migrate without strict control (which is not allowed elsewhere in China), and though providing Han Chinese with government jobs. Lots second class citizen stuff, banning Uighur cultural practices etc. The knife attacks are an expression of the pressure the population is under. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/1789160/chinas-drive-settle-new-wave-migrants-restive-xinjiang https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/1789160/chin...
forkLding 8y ago
There is armed resistance, the Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party They're deemed a terrorist group by US and EU and have fought in Syria.
- angry_octet 8y ago
  I don't think they are really active in China though. If any of the modern IED tech had made it across we'd be seeing more than knife attacks. They are very good at supressing information but the casualties would be too large to cover up.
  - chaostheory 8y ago
    There have been more than knife attacks. China is good at suppressing info in the region. It’s easy because no other major nation state seamingly cares about the region at least for now and also due to its geographic location
  - forkLding 8y ago
    I've heard of bus bombs and random unexplained groups of police casualties in Xinjiang but the Chinese Communist Party needs to maintain the facade of stability or else it would be breaking it's "promise" to the people.
chaostheory 8y ago
> Let's not sugar coat this, the CCP is engaging in systematic ethnic cleansing. They haven't been doing it and they're not going to do that. Why? 1. Ethnic cleansing (akin to what we see in Yugoslavia & WWII) just isn't a tool Chinese have used historically. 2. Unlike say the Nazis, the CCP does not see the problem mainly as race & genetics. The issue in their eyes is culture and behavior. 3. They have something else that's been proven to work in places like Mongolia. There's no official name for it but a faculty member from GaTech's International Affairs school has called it "reverse genocide". What is "reverse genocide"? It's not as harsh as the name sounds. It's basically just a really aggressive form of assimilation. Here's a high level view of what happens: 1. Encourage Han Chinese to relocate to the areas that need to be changed with incentives. They will soon become the majority. The region's culture will become Han Chinese in a decade or less. 2. Encourage Han Chinese to intermarry with the native people. This is actually easy to do. Han males tend to be financially more well off then than native counterparts, and there is a huge gender disparity so no one cares as much when their sons marry someone who isn't Han. Their children and their families become Han and are treated as such. Any trace of the old native culture is just wiped out in 1-2 generations within these families. Wash, rinse and repeat. 1 & 2 are ideal because there's nothing really horrible to criticize because it's subtle and it's highly effective. For places like Xinjiang, where both 1 & 2 are not as effective initially, they implement the re-education tactics that we've read in articles such as the one posted. I'm going to guess that maybe 1 & 2 gets easier to do as well over time.
- angry_octet 8y ago
  As I said, a Chinese style cultural genocide. Stealing the women, locking up the men, taking their jobs and scarce resources, banning religion -- what could go wrong? But it now has aspects more familiar from the Cultural Revolution, like re-education camps, sending the cadres out to enforce correct thought (this time readings of Xi instead of Mao!). Though there seems to be little zeal in the cadres, and the Han population of Zinjiang sticks to their heavily patrolled enclaves in the north. It is curious when you consider that both Hu and Xi were victims of the Cultural Revolution: https://www.thoughtco.com/hu-jintao-195670 https://www.thoughtco.com/hu-jintao-195670 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-17/why-maos-cultural-revolution-still-haunts-xi-jinpings-china/9047782 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-17/why-maos-cultural-rev...

throwaway4652 8y ago

I thought these current policies are a reaction to the armed terrorist attacks that happened in the past few years? Like the one at the train station that hurt hundreds of people?

angry_octet 8y ago
No, this has been going on for decades. Mostly as a soft policy, allowing people to migrate without strict control (which is not allowed elsewhere in China), and though providing Han Chinese with government jobs. Lots second class citizen stuff, banning Uighur cultural practices etc. The knife attacks are an expression of the pressure the population is under. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/1789160/chinas-drive-settle-new-wave-migrants-restive-xinjiang https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/1789160/chin...

forkLding 8y ago

There is armed resistance, the Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party They're deemed a terrorist group by US and EU and have fought in Syria.

angry_octet 8y ago
I don't think they are really active in China though. If any of the modern IED tech had made it across we'd be seeing more than knife attacks. They are very good at supressing information but the casualties would be too large to cover up.
- chaostheory 8y ago
  There have been more than knife attacks. China is good at suppressing info in the region. It’s easy because no other major nation state seamingly cares about the region at least for now and also due to its geographic location
- forkLding 8y ago
  I've heard of bus bombs and random unexplained groups of police casualties in Xinjiang but the Chinese Communist Party needs to maintain the facade of stability or else it would be breaking it's "promise" to the people.

chaostheory 8y ago

> Let's not sugar coat this, the CCP is engaging in systematic ethnic cleansing. They haven't been doing it and they're not going to do that. Why? 1. Ethnic cleansing (akin to what we see in Yugoslavia & WWII) just isn't a tool Chinese have used historically. 2. Unlike say the Nazis, the CCP does not see the problem mainly as race & genetics. The issue in their eyes is culture and behavior. 3. They have something else that's been proven to work in places like Mongolia. There's no official name for it but a faculty member from GaTech's International Affairs school has called it "reverse genocide". What is "reverse genocide"? It's not as harsh as the name sounds. It's basically just a really aggressive form of assimilation. Here's a high level view of what happens: 1. Encourage Han Chinese to relocate to the areas that need to be changed with incentives. They will soon become the majority. The region's culture will become Han Chinese in a decade or less. 2. Encourage Han Chinese to intermarry with the native people. This is actually easy to do. Han males tend to be financially more well off then than native counterparts, and there is a huge gender disparity so no one cares as much when their sons marry someone who isn't Han. Their children and their families become Han and are treated as such. Any trace of the old native culture is just wiped out in 1-2 generations within these families. Wash, rinse and repeat. 1 & 2 are ideal because there's nothing really horrible to criticize because it's subtle and it's highly effective. For places like Xinjiang, where both 1 & 2 are not as effective initially, they implement the re-education tactics that we've read in articles such as the one posted. I'm going to guess that maybe 1 & 2 gets easier to do as well over time.

angry_octet 8y ago
As I said, a Chinese style cultural genocide. Stealing the women, locking up the men, taking their jobs and scarce resources, banning religion -- what could go wrong? But it now has aspects more familiar from the Cultural Revolution, like re-education camps, sending the cadres out to enforce correct thought (this time readings of Xi instead of Mao!). Though there seems to be little zeal in the cadres, and the Han population of Zinjiang sticks to their heavily patrolled enclaves in the north. It is curious when you consider that both Hu and Xi were victims of the Cultural Revolution: https://www.thoughtco.com/hu-jintao-195670 https://www.thoughtco.com/hu-jintao-195670 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-17/why-maos-cultural-revolution-still-haunts-xi-jinpings-china/9047782 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-17/why-maos-cultural-rev...