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> Why do I care about what's appropriate for other orgs? You're here discussing your org, and I'm here discussing my org. Why are you posting on a public foru

by yebyen 8y ago

> Why do I care about what's appropriate for other orgs? You're here discussing your org, and I'm here discussing my org. Why are you posting on a public forum if you don't care about other people's problems ;) I'm not here to make it personally relevant for you and necessarily change your mind. > You don't find it a bit strange you're talking about how this policy would block access to a personal project, but that in so doing it somehow causes you to have to bring work home? Which is it? Is it something you work on for work or is it a personal project? It's a JavaScript app, and I'm a Rails developer without a lot of really strong JavaScript experience. I might need more JS experience for work. If I could take a class in this stuff, my work would probably pay for the tuition, and it would be tax-free. (But instead, I'm doing an Open Source project and as far as professional development goes, it's the same.) I don't find it strange at all, I work on personal projects all the time, and some of that happens at work. Sometimes I like to choose my personal projects so that they will benefit my performance at work. In the community of practice related to this project, if something pops up on my Slack, and it will take two minutes to deal with it, I'm not going to tell them to wait until after hours; I'm bringing my actual work home with me on a regular basis (without overtime), so it would be unfair for me to say that the inverse can never happen. Just to make it concrete, so you can see why it shouldn't bother my manager that I sometimes look at this project during working hours, the project is "Commits.to" - it's a time management / GTD tool for helping you be sure that you set a due date when something you said you'd do is important, and for holding you to getting done the things you said you were going to get done, by the due date or ASAP after. It's a beta project and the only people who are users are also developers. It is a community of practice. Again I don't expect you to care about this project, but if my work is overtly saying "you need to go home if you want to work on that" I'm going to start looking for a different job. But they're not doing that. They've said it obliquely instead. (And since it's a college campus, they've said it to every student too... some of whom might actually live on campus.) So as we're all very busy, and I don't need to work on this at work, I've just let it slide instead of marching into InfoSec with a list of demands. But the net effect is, sometimes when I want to do a quick thing for this personal project I'm working on, instead of spending the 5 minutes and getting it over with, I have to write it down and remember to bring it home instead. It's a net productivity loss, and I don't think that was anyone's intentional goal, but it was an effect of the (garbage, IMHO) policy.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
I was criticizing the practice of using a bunch of domain names with vanity TLDs when there was a perfectly good domain sites could be using. I was criticized for this practice by you and others. It is unreasonable to criticize my companies use of the practice and justify that criticism with descriptions of how the practice would apply to other orgs.
- yebyen 8y ago
  Hey buddy, we're just having a discussion on the internet about our pet peeves, there's nothing personal about it. You are perfectly justified in _not using_ the domains, because there are people like you out there who will block the use. This is my major contribution to the discussion. But you must understand my plight, since in my view you are part of the problem. You don't just _not use_ the domains, you _actively block the use_. The research I found was that yes, most of these domains were registered for spammy purposes back when the new TLDs were new, in say 2015. So it was recommended to block them at an organizational level (by several prominent, well-respected neutral ISAC and other groups, who were very short-sighted about it IMHO). Since then, several years have gone by and as you cited, many organizations are using them now, but you (and others) persist in blocking their legitimate uses with a blanket ban. And as long as you and people like you remain, that continue blocking them by default, so shall they remain mostly spammy, since nobody can register them and expect to use them for anything important, without this grief. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gvya4m/study-100-of-websites-in-these-two-top-level-domains-are-shady https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gvya4m/study-100-...

by yebyen 8y ago

AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago

I was criticizing the practice of using a bunch of domain names with vanity TLDs when there was a perfectly good domain sites could be using. I was criticized for this practice by you and others. It is unreasonable to criticize my companies use of the practice and justify that criticism with descriptions of how the practice would apply to other orgs.

yebyen 8y ago
Hey buddy, we're just having a discussion on the internet about our pet peeves, there's nothing personal about it. You are perfectly justified in _not using_ the domains, because there are people like you out there who will block the use. This is my major contribution to the discussion. But you must understand my plight, since in my view you are part of the problem. You don't just _not use_ the domains, you _actively block the use_. The research I found was that yes, most of these domains were registered for spammy purposes back when the new TLDs were new, in say 2015. So it was recommended to block them at an organizational level (by several prominent, well-respected neutral ISAC and other groups, who were very short-sighted about it IMHO). Since then, several years have gone by and as you cited, many organizations are using them now, but you (and others) persist in blocking their legitimate uses with a blanket ban. And as long as you and people like you remain, that continue blocking them by default, so shall they remain mostly spammy, since nobody can register them and expect to use them for anything important, without this grief. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gvya4m/study-100-of-websites-in-these-two-top-level-domains-are-shady https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gvya4m/study-100-...