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> Her older son, who has A.D.H.D., would get angry when the screen had to be turned off, she said, which worried her. Completely anecdotal, but I was chatting

by jfim 8y ago

> Her older son, who has A.D.H.D., would get angry when the screen had to be turned off, she said, which worried her. Completely anecdotal, but I was chatting with a teacher a couple of months ago, and she said it's actually a common thing with young children that have been raised on screens. They are addicted to their devices and have poor socialization skills, so they tend to throw tantrums when asked to put the devices away to focus on the class itself.

pavel_lishin 8y ago
Throwing an anecdote into the bucket: my 2.5 year old gets _very_ cranky when it's time to turn off Masha and the Bear, and it seems to be - without running any objective numbers - that she's crankier in general and less willing to be patient and wait if she watches too much of it on any given day or weekend. We actually told her that Masha went on vacation, and are going to be trying to crank down her screen time down to near-zero (from a few hours on the weekends, and occasionally 45 minutes after daycare if only one parent is home and e.g. dinner needs to be cooked)
- learc83 8y ago
  >daycare Is the daycare cooperating with your desire for near-zero screen time?
  - pavel_lishin 8y ago
    Yup; I know they've shown them a few Youtube videos, mostly a few funny songs. I'm fine with that; she's very happy to try and sing along, and they don't just plop them down in front of a TV for hours at a time.
  - YinglingLight 8y ago
    My gf worked at a day-care, said the number of daycare workers who spend more time on the phone than with the kids is staggering.
- sigi45 8y ago
  2.5? Few hours on weekends? 45 minutes after daycare? I think that is too much. What did parents do before that when they need to cook dinner?
  - pavel_lishin 8y ago
    > What did parents do before that when they need to cook dinner? I know this is kind of a rhetorical question, but: - they'd prepare dinner ahead of time - the other parent would watch the kids - they'd have extended family watch the kids - they'd have neighbors watch the kids - they'd park the kid in the kitchen - they'd hope that the kid didn't do anything too destructive in the other room
    - tomatotomato37 8y ago
      Don't forget: - toss them outside and task them with entertaining themselves until dinner is done You can't do that anymore with other parents calling the cops if they see a child outside unattended for longer than 30 seconds but it was effective
      - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
        This was done much more so than any others. We bordered on a large plot of forest. So we'd pay attention if it was hunting season (wear orange/yellow if it was), and go traipsing through the forest. We would routinely be gone for hours. Some times, we'd go from sunrise to sunset. We'd also build a tiny fire, and have cookouts. One of us had a rifle, so we'd go for small game. First time I had squirrel was doing that. We put out the fires like they told us to do in cub scouts. (Tl;Dr. Kids with guns, fire, basic camping gear, out for hours) There's no way in hell anything remotely like this would be "allowed" today.
      - pavel_lishin 8y ago
        I didn't forget, but this is not a viable option before a certain age. I can't throw my 2 year old into the city sidewalk.
    - 8y ago
dzek69 8y ago
It was just the same about 23 years ago. My cousin was raised by TV/PC screen, drunk dad and overprotective mother that would do anything to keep him quiet (screen worked the best). He was kind of ADHD person, never confirmed by anyone, but he was jumping in place everytime something exciting was on the screen, always wanted to move around, hit other people. And most noticeable - he was furious when somebody told him to turn off tv/pc. I've seen many not behaving kids of course, this one had uncontrolled access to technology even then. And now we're alarmed? We had a lot of time to notice. Don't forget that TV and computer isn't something new. People were addicted to mobile phones (without internet of course, just SMS) even 10 years ago.
- yabatopia 8y ago
  How is your cousin now? Any-long term effects because of this?
- twtw 8y ago
  > It was just the same about 23 years ago Did your cousin carry the TV around with him? > TV and computer isn't something new. People were addicted to mobile phones even 10 years ago It used to be rare to see teenagers with cell phones, let alone toddlers. The iPhone is ~11 years old, and in that time it has become common for me to see people of all ages, from toddler up, always on a smartphone or tablet. I disagree strongly that the situation is just the same as TVs decades ago. And I'm not interested in the picture of the people reading newspapers on the subway. It's always been common to ignore strangers of public transit, I'm more interested in a photograph of friends/family staring intently at their own newspaper while at a dinner table or some other social event. This is the norm with smartphones, and color me skeptical that it isn't new.
r00fus 8y ago
This happens with my school aged kids as well. I don't think it's "addiction" but the nature of kids and screens. I've learned to keep my kids' screen time limited and it works best if it's a rigid timing (after homework but before dinner). I give them additional time if they watch in French audio track - in fact that seems to minimize the crankiness when its time to put away the devices.
gowld 8y ago
Kids sometimes throw tantrums when asked to do anything they don't want to do.

by jfim 8y ago

pavel_lishin 8y ago

Throwing an anecdote into the bucket: my 2.5 year old gets _very_ cranky when it's time to turn off Masha and the Bear, and it seems to be - without running any objective numbers - that she's crankier in general and less willing to be patient and wait if she watches too much of it on any given day or weekend. We actually told her that Masha went on vacation, and are going to be trying to crank down her screen time down to near-zero (from a few hours on the weekends, and occasionally 45 minutes after daycare if only one parent is home and e.g. dinner needs to be cooked)

learc83 8y ago
>daycare Is the daycare cooperating with your desire for near-zero screen time?
- pavel_lishin 8y ago
  Yup; I know they've shown them a few Youtube videos, mostly a few funny songs. I'm fine with that; she's very happy to try and sing along, and they don't just plop them down in front of a TV for hours at a time.
- YinglingLight 8y ago
  My gf worked at a day-care, said the number of daycare workers who spend more time on the phone than with the kids is staggering.
sigi45 8y ago
2.5? Few hours on weekends? 45 minutes after daycare? I think that is too much. What did parents do before that when they need to cook dinner?
- pavel_lishin 8y ago
  > What did parents do before that when they need to cook dinner? I know this is kind of a rhetorical question, but: - they'd prepare dinner ahead of time - the other parent would watch the kids - they'd have extended family watch the kids - they'd have neighbors watch the kids - they'd park the kid in the kitchen - they'd hope that the kid didn't do anything too destructive in the other room
  - tomatotomato37 8y ago
    Don't forget: - toss them outside and task them with entertaining themselves until dinner is done You can't do that anymore with other parents calling the cops if they see a child outside unattended for longer than 30 seconds but it was effective
    - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
      This was done much more so than any others. We bordered on a large plot of forest. So we'd pay attention if it was hunting season (wear orange/yellow if it was), and go traipsing through the forest. We would routinely be gone for hours. Some times, we'd go from sunrise to sunset. We'd also build a tiny fire, and have cookouts. One of us had a rifle, so we'd go for small game. First time I had squirrel was doing that. We put out the fires like they told us to do in cub scouts. (Tl;Dr. Kids with guns, fire, basic camping gear, out for hours) There's no way in hell anything remotely like this would be "allowed" today.
    - pavel_lishin 8y ago
      I didn't forget, but this is not a viable option before a certain age. I can't throw my 2 year old into the city sidewalk.
  - 8y ago

dzek69 8y ago

It was just the same about 23 years ago. My cousin was raised by TV/PC screen, drunk dad and overprotective mother that would do anything to keep him quiet (screen worked the best). He was kind of ADHD person, never confirmed by anyone, but he was jumping in place everytime something exciting was on the screen, always wanted to move around, hit other people. And most noticeable - he was furious when somebody told him to turn off tv/pc. I've seen many not behaving kids of course, this one had uncontrolled access to technology even then. And now we're alarmed? We had a lot of time to notice. Don't forget that TV and computer isn't something new. People were addicted to mobile phones (without internet of course, just SMS) even 10 years ago.

yabatopia 8y ago
How is your cousin now? Any-long term effects because of this?
twtw 8y ago
> It was just the same about 23 years ago Did your cousin carry the TV around with him? > TV and computer isn't something new. People were addicted to mobile phones even 10 years ago It used to be rare to see teenagers with cell phones, let alone toddlers. The iPhone is ~11 years old, and in that time it has become common for me to see people of all ages, from toddler up, always on a smartphone or tablet. I disagree strongly that the situation is just the same as TVs decades ago. And I'm not interested in the picture of the people reading newspapers on the subway. It's always been common to ignore strangers of public transit, I'm more interested in a photograph of friends/family staring intently at their own newspaper while at a dinner table or some other social event. This is the norm with smartphones, and color me skeptical that it isn't new.

r00fus 8y ago

This happens with my school aged kids as well. I don't think it's "addiction" but the nature of kids and screens. I've learned to keep my kids' screen time limited and it works best if it's a rigid timing (after homework but before dinner). I give them additional time if they watch in French audio track - in fact that seems to minimize the crankiness when its time to put away the devices.

gowld 8y ago

Kids sometimes throw tantrums when asked to do anything they don't want to do.