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I agree that Nat Friedman seems to be the right CEO for GitHub. I've observed him on Twitter in the past few months and his behaviour has been top notch. Words

I agree that Nat Friedman seems to be the right CEO for GitHub. I've observed him on Twitter in the past few months and his behaviour has been top notch. Words are worthless and what only matters is action. In the last weeks, he actually took the time to reach out to actual project maintainers and contributors to listen to what they want. Microsoft won't ruin GitHub. Windows's ecosystem need developers more than ever. Developers are on GitHub. They simply can't screw it up.

Jaruzel 8y ago
I'm pretty sure Steve Ballmer said... something... about developers once...
- usr1106 8y ago
  Yes, but at least at the moment Microsoft leadership doesn't have the highest opinions on Ballmers merits regarding developers https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SNOHJf97uQU https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SNOHJf97uQU
  - dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
    It's a pity the Linux Foundation chose one-way communication and disabled the comments (not just for this video).
- seabrookmx 8y ago
  You can have the right goal in mind and execute terribly on it. I think Microsoft has done this a lot in the past. Mobile is the standout example, but even the Skype debacle had some good intentions. Microsoft had a super fragmented ecosystem of "Windows Live", Office, MSN, Skype.. I think it was noble to try and unify everything under one login. But they tried to push said login down the throats of unsuspecting Windows users (that more often that not didn't use that MS ecosystem but instead used Google's), and (IMO) ruined Skype's usability in the process. I don't know what the _right_ way of doing it was, but this certainly wasn't it.
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Technetium_Hat 8y ago
Microsoft has made huge strides towards development on windows. WSL is amazing. I have yet to find a better window manager than windows, and I still get to use bash.
- hackerpoos 8y ago
  I don't need a window manager. Give me a single god damn command line that's consistent with the rest of the world. Not this ancient cmd.exe abomination which is completely incompatible with this powershell garbage which is completely incompatible with this half-baked wsl which is not cygwin or mingw or blah blah blah. Bash and posix with forward slashes as first class citizens please and take your dos garbage and shove it.
  - saxonww 8y ago
    This is unnecessarily harsh. You can install wsltty[0] and get a real bash prompt with posix and forward slashes if you want. WSL is not perfect, but it's good enough for a lot of use cases if you're stuck on Windows. [0]: https://github.com/mintty/wsltty https://github.com/mintty/wsltty
h1d 8y ago
> Windows's ecosystem need developers more than ever When will MS stop taking money away from the developers by making Visual Studio priced with hefty charges? I still can't believe they're just making a barrier to entry by charging people who are going to help their ecosystem better and bigger.
- dingle_thunk 8y ago
  They're basically pushing people towards .net core (FLOSS) and VS Code (FLOSS), plus providing Visual Studio Community edition for free if you're making less than $2m/yr.
  - h1d 8y ago
    MS only limits the possibility of developers by having confusing "editions" again on VS. No idea what the point of splitting the user base to slow down the adoption and the growth of global knowledge base.

Jaruzel 8y ago

I'm pretty sure Steve Ballmer said... something... about developers once...

usr1106 8y ago
Yes, but at least at the moment Microsoft leadership doesn't have the highest opinions on Ballmers merits regarding developers https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SNOHJf97uQU https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SNOHJf97uQU
- dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
  It's a pity the Linux Foundation chose one-way communication and disabled the comments (not just for this video).
seabrookmx 8y ago
You can have the right goal in mind and execute terribly on it. I think Microsoft has done this a lot in the past. Mobile is the standout example, but even the Skype debacle had some good intentions. Microsoft had a super fragmented ecosystem of "Windows Live", Office, MSN, Skype.. I think it was noble to try and unify everything under one login. But they tried to push said login down the throats of unsuspecting Windows users (that more often that not didn't use that MS ecosystem but instead used Google's), and (IMO) ruined Skype's usability in the process. I don't know what the _right_ way of doing it was, but this certainly wasn't it.

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Technetium_Hat 8y ago

Microsoft has made huge strides towards development on windows. WSL is amazing. I have yet to find a better window manager than windows, and I still get to use bash.

hackerpoos 8y ago
I don't need a window manager. Give me a single god damn command line that's consistent with the rest of the world. Not this ancient cmd.exe abomination which is completely incompatible with this powershell garbage which is completely incompatible with this half-baked wsl which is not cygwin or mingw or blah blah blah. Bash and posix with forward slashes as first class citizens please and take your dos garbage and shove it.
- saxonww 8y ago
  This is unnecessarily harsh. You can install wsltty[0] and get a real bash prompt with posix and forward slashes if you want. WSL is not perfect, but it's good enough for a lot of use cases if you're stuck on Windows. [0]: https://github.com/mintty/wsltty https://github.com/mintty/wsltty

h1d 8y ago

> Windows's ecosystem need developers more than ever When will MS stop taking money away from the developers by making Visual Studio priced with hefty charges? I still can't believe they're just making a barrier to entry by charging people who are going to help their ecosystem better and bigger.

dingle_thunk 8y ago
They're basically pushing people towards .net core (FLOSS) and VS Code (FLOSS), plus providing Visual Studio Community edition for free if you're making less than $2m/yr.
- h1d 8y ago
  MS only limits the possibility of developers by having confusing "editions" again on VS. No idea what the point of splitting the user base to slow down the adoption and the growth of global knowledge base.