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I don’t feel like anybody is asking for any shop to stop serving anything. The paper is highlighting the dual identity of being Québecois: whenever Canada cel

I don’t feel like anybody is asking for any shop to stop serving anything. The paper is highlighting the dual identity of being Québecois: whenever Canada celebrates anything Québécois it’s Canadian, but when it’s a bad thing then that’s not Canadian. I remember the terrible jokes at the expense of poutine when I was a kid. How it was a horrible Québec thing. Now the jokes have stopped because poutine is deemed wonderful, but poutine is no longer Québecois, it’s now Canadian. That’s cultural appropriation, and the reasonable thing to do is to express its existence, internalize the meaning of this act, and move on. No one should stop serving poutine.

Waterluvian 8y ago
Thanks for the perspective. Maybe it's an age or exposure thing but I never knew of poutine to ever be a bad thing or a joke.
- tonyarkles 8y ago
  I, too, must have grown up after the poutine enlightenment. It’s been a delicious comfort food for as long as I can remember! But mayo on fries? What the hell is that?! :D Edit: although, back to the idea of cultural appropriation... we have poutine in Saskatchewan, and it’s fantastic, but it’s definitely not Québécois poutine. I spent a week in Montreal this summer and the poutine there is on a whole other level of amazingness.
  - jperras 8y ago
    It's a dish of 3 ingredients, but you really need to get those 3 ingredients perfect. You need very fresh cheese curds, the right gravy (it's a mix of beef and chicken stock as a base) the right size and cut of fries to stay structurally intact when flooded with the gravy.
    - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
      Poutine is not some elaborate French pastry that has specific a specific recipe that must be followed to the letter. It's the culinary equivalent of the broad side of a barn. It's pretty hard to miss. Poutine made with slightly over cooked (makes them less prone to breaking apart) frozen fries,shredded Mexican cheese blend and beef gravy all from Walmart is still poutine.
      - jperras 8y ago
        We could debate this ad nauseam; it depends on where you fall on the ingredient/structure matrix for a poutine. Here's the equivalent matrix for sandwiches: https://i0.wp.com/flowingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Sandwich-alignment-chart.jpg?w=1200&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/flowingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05...
caiob 8y ago
Last time I checked Quebec reaped the benefits of Alberta's oil sands... didn't they?
- OldSchoolJohnny 8y ago
  Seriously?
  - caiob 8y ago
    Yes. I don't understand the surprise.
- philistine 8y ago
  Are you like a Russian troll trying to sow dissent or something? We're talking about poutine!
  - caiob 8y ago
    Nope. The OP is talking about cultural appropriation as if Quebec and Canada were 2 different places. They’re not.
microcolonel 8y ago
Maybe Americans think of poutine as "Canadian", I don't know that I've heard any Ontarian, British Columbian, or Albertan describe it as "Canadian". It is a distinct Québec treat, and the common advice is that in order to enjoy it "properly", it must be done in Québec. I think a certain amount of the humour at Québecers' expense can be attributed to the immense strain placed on society by the marxist-lenisist separatist movements of the late '60s and early '70s; it really is hard to top the FLQ in terms of causes of unrest in Canada.
jperras 8y ago
> The paper is highlighting the dual identity of being Québecois: whenever Canada celebrates anything Québécois it’s Canadian, but when it’s a bad thing then that’s not Canadian. You've hit the nail on the head with this statement. I don't mind that poutine (or any other very Québecois dish) is available in other parts of Canada or the world - heck, I find that amazing! What I do mind is exactly what you've described: when Québec does something good it's Canadian, when it's something bad it's Québecois.
- bradknowles 8y ago
  You mean, like when I was a kid and I did something bad and was suddenly described as “your kid”, but when I did something good and was suddenly described as “my kid”? Yeah, I don’t think that has ever changed.
gowld 8y ago
The jokes haven't stopped. You grew up and stopped hanging out with schoolchildren. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekzaRINoe0I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekzaRINoe0I

Waterluvian 8y ago

Thanks for the perspective. Maybe it's an age or exposure thing but I never knew of poutine to ever be a bad thing or a joke.

tonyarkles 8y ago
I, too, must have grown up after the poutine enlightenment. It’s been a delicious comfort food for as long as I can remember! But mayo on fries? What the hell is that?! :D Edit: although, back to the idea of cultural appropriation... we have poutine in Saskatchewan, and it’s fantastic, but it’s definitely not Québécois poutine. I spent a week in Montreal this summer and the poutine there is on a whole other level of amazingness.
- jperras 8y ago
  It's a dish of 3 ingredients, but you really need to get those 3 ingredients perfect. You need very fresh cheese curds, the right gravy (it's a mix of beef and chicken stock as a base) the right size and cut of fries to stay structurally intact when flooded with the gravy.
  - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
    Poutine is not some elaborate French pastry that has specific a specific recipe that must be followed to the letter. It's the culinary equivalent of the broad side of a barn. It's pretty hard to miss. Poutine made with slightly over cooked (makes them less prone to breaking apart) frozen fries,shredded Mexican cheese blend and beef gravy all from Walmart is still poutine.
    - jperras 8y ago
      We could debate this ad nauseam; it depends on where you fall on the ingredient/structure matrix for a poutine. Here's the equivalent matrix for sandwiches: https://i0.wp.com/flowingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Sandwich-alignment-chart.jpg?w=1200&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/flowingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05...

caiob 8y ago

Last time I checked Quebec reaped the benefits of Alberta's oil sands... didn't they?

OldSchoolJohnny 8y ago
Seriously?
- caiob 8y ago
  Yes. I don't understand the surprise.
philistine 8y ago
Are you like a Russian troll trying to sow dissent or something? We're talking about poutine!
- caiob 8y ago
  Nope. The OP is talking about cultural appropriation as if Quebec and Canada were 2 different places. They’re not.

microcolonel 8y ago

Maybe Americans think of poutine as "Canadian", I don't know that I've heard any Ontarian, British Columbian, or Albertan describe it as "Canadian". It is a distinct Québec treat, and the common advice is that in order to enjoy it "properly", it must be done in Québec. I think a certain amount of the humour at Québecers' expense can be attributed to the immense strain placed on society by the marxist-lenisist separatist movements of the late '60s and early '70s; it really is hard to top the FLQ in terms of causes of unrest in Canada.

jperras 8y ago

> The paper is highlighting the dual identity of being Québecois: whenever Canada celebrates anything Québécois it’s Canadian, but when it’s a bad thing then that’s not Canadian. You've hit the nail on the head with this statement. I don't mind that poutine (or any other very Québecois dish) is available in other parts of Canada or the world - heck, I find that amazing! What I do mind is exactly what you've described: when Québec does something good it's Canadian, when it's something bad it's Québecois.

bradknowles 8y ago
You mean, like when I was a kid and I did something bad and was suddenly described as “your kid”, but when I did something good and was suddenly described as “my kid”? Yeah, I don’t think that has ever changed.

gowld 8y ago

The jokes haven't stopped. You grew up and stopped hanging out with schoolchildren. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekzaRINoe0I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekzaRINoe0I