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> Kats is standing up WebRender in Firefox for Android I'm guessing "standing" should be "setting"? Anyway, doesn't seem to work just yet for nightly. I enabl

> Kats is standing up WebRender in Firefox for Android I'm guessing "standing" should be "setting"? Anyway, doesn't seem to work just yet for nightly. I enabled in about:config, but get "unavailable by runtime: WebRender not ready for use on non-e10s Android". Also, "WEBRENDER_QUALIFIED: blocked by env: Has battery" I filtered by e10s and electrolysis in about:config but couldn't find anything

robin_reala 8y ago
Standing up here means getting into a working but unfinished state. It’s a slightly uncommon turn of phrase, but it’s legit English.
- phkahler 8y ago
  Is this the opposite of "stand down"? It seems to be.
  - singlow 8y ago
    I think its more like "to erect"; "to stand down" is more like "hold back", "disengage" or "retreat" (intransitive). stand up (intransitive) ~= stand from a sitting or lying position stand up <direct-object> == erect, build, appoint, enact stand-up, upstanding (adjective) == moral, ethical stand-up [comedian] == actually standing on ones feet
- Serow225 8y ago
  To me it's very common in the tech community. Maybe a transfer from the embedded/sysadmin/DBA side of things, from what I've seen its usage move over time.
  - ergothus 8y ago
    You aren't used to hearing about "standing up" new servers?
    - Serow225 8y ago
      I must have written my text poorly, that's what I intended to convey; that in my experience the term's popularity started in the embedded/sysadmin/dba communities and then spread to the wider tech communities. Sorry! :)
- pohl 8y ago
  I hear this phrase frequently in programming. In order to get your program running, you first have to make it stand up.
kbutler 8y ago
Computer jargon for "set up", likely from (US?) military jargon. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/125681/usage-of-stood-up-to-mean-set-up https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/125681/usage-of-...
jamienicol 8y ago
It doesn't yet work on fennec (regular Firefox for Android, which is non-e10s). Instead we're working on it for geckoview.
- jamienicol 8y ago
  To add to this - this means it could be enabled in focus/klar nightlies, except they don't have an about:config page. You can build it from source, though! It's very early days currently so you're not missing anything, but as it gets more stable I'm sure it'll be easier to try out.
- dochtman 8y ago
  I keep wondering about GeckoView vs Fennec. Surely Fennec already contains something much like GeckoView, so what will the difference be and when will (Nightly) Fennec switch?
  - cpeterso 8y ago
    GeckoView and Fennec share the same Gecko code, but GeckoView provides an embedding API for other apps and has some runtime differences like enabling e10s (sandboxed content process separate from the app UI). GeckoView-based features (like e10s and WebRender) will eventually be folded back into Fennec.
antonios 8y ago
Me too. A bit of Googling told me that if you set the variable MOZ_WEBRENDER=1 it enables it. That worked.
- markdog12 8y ago
  That doesn't seem to work
  - cpeterso 8y ago
    I haven't tried these instructions, but the Android WebRender bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1453367#c13 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1453367#c13 says to download the "geckoview_example" app's APK: https://queue.taskcluster.net/v1/task/AY-d7ns9QOGZuFj3syrsDQ/runs/0/artifacts/public/build/geckoview_example.apk https://queue.taskcluster.net/v1/task/AY-d7ns9QOGZuFj3syrsDQ... and then remotely launch the geckoview_example app from a connected desktop machine: adb shell am start -n org.mozilla.geckoview_example/.GeckoViewActivity --es env0 MOZ_WEBRENDER=1

robin_reala 8y ago

Standing up here means getting into a working but unfinished state. It’s a slightly uncommon turn of phrase, but it’s legit English.

phkahler 8y ago
Is this the opposite of "stand down"? It seems to be.
- singlow 8y ago
  I think its more like "to erect"; "to stand down" is more like "hold back", "disengage" or "retreat" (intransitive). stand up (intransitive) ~= stand from a sitting or lying position stand up <direct-object> == erect, build, appoint, enact stand-up, upstanding (adjective) == moral, ethical stand-up [comedian] == actually standing on ones feet
Serow225 8y ago
To me it's very common in the tech community. Maybe a transfer from the embedded/sysadmin/DBA side of things, from what I've seen its usage move over time.
- ergothus 8y ago
  You aren't used to hearing about "standing up" new servers?
  - Serow225 8y ago
    I must have written my text poorly, that's what I intended to convey; that in my experience the term's popularity started in the embedded/sysadmin/dba communities and then spread to the wider tech communities. Sorry! :)
pohl 8y ago
I hear this phrase frequently in programming. In order to get your program running, you first have to make it stand up.

kbutler 8y ago

Computer jargon for "set up", likely from (US?) military jargon. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/125681/usage-of-stood-up-to-mean-set-up https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/125681/usage-of-...

jamienicol 8y ago

It doesn't yet work on fennec (regular Firefox for Android, which is non-e10s). Instead we're working on it for geckoview.

jamienicol 8y ago
To add to this - this means it could be enabled in focus/klar nightlies, except they don't have an about:config page. You can build it from source, though! It's very early days currently so you're not missing anything, but as it gets more stable I'm sure it'll be easier to try out.
dochtman 8y ago
I keep wondering about GeckoView vs Fennec. Surely Fennec already contains something much like GeckoView, so what will the difference be and when will (Nightly) Fennec switch?
- cpeterso 8y ago
  GeckoView and Fennec share the same Gecko code, but GeckoView provides an embedding API for other apps and has some runtime differences like enabling e10s (sandboxed content process separate from the app UI). GeckoView-based features (like e10s and WebRender) will eventually be folded back into Fennec.

antonios 8y ago

Me too. A bit of Googling told me that if you set the variable MOZ_WEBRENDER=1 it enables it. That worked.

markdog12 8y ago
That doesn't seem to work
- cpeterso 8y ago
  I haven't tried these instructions, but the Android WebRender bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1453367#c13 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1453367#c13 says to download the "geckoview_example" app's APK: https://queue.taskcluster.net/v1/task/AY-d7ns9QOGZuFj3syrsDQ/runs/0/artifacts/public/build/geckoview_example.apk https://queue.taskcluster.net/v1/task/AY-d7ns9QOGZuFj3syrsDQ... and then remotely launch the geckoview_example app from a connected desktop machine: adb shell am start -n org.mozilla.geckoview_example/.GeckoViewActivity --es env0 MOZ_WEBRENDER=1