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Eclipse is cross-platform, comes with a disgusting component system (OSGi), pillages all your RAM, and yet is still arguably the most popular IDE these days.

_delirium 16y ago
Firefox is quite popular too, and uses its own custom cross-platform UI toolkit.
- stcredzero 16y ago
  I've heard of in-house apps being done with XUL. I'm not aware of any used by the general public, other than Firefox. To be a successful cross-platform development environment, there would have to be lots of these. To my knowledge, only web apps are that widespread and used by the general public, not primarily for in-house apps.
  - ZeroGravitas 16y ago
    Does Songbird count? I think ActiveState's IDE's are XUL too, but it seesm devs are generally more willing to accept cross-platform apps.
    - CrazedGeek 16y ago
      Miro and the eMusic Downloader should count, too.
  - ptomato 16y ago
    http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide
- gamble 16y ago
  Firefox has never looked or felt like a native application on the Mac. It didn't even have native form controls or pixel-perfect scrolling ala Safari until fairly recently.
- mkramlich 16y ago
  ... and is slow, pillages your RAM, and for many folks is a de facto web IDE. :) Think Firebug, etc.
stcredzero 16y ago
How many general-public end-user apps are built with SWT?
- jsankey 16y ago
  There don't seem to be many. But I believe it has been used quite extensively in internally-developed applications, never intended for the mass market. The same goes for Swing as well. So although end consumers might not see them, it will certainly take a long time for SWT or Swing to die. These are the same class of applications that are keeping IE 6 alive, after all. Does this matter to Apple? I doubt it's significant, as most of these applications are probably running on Windows desktops already. Probably more significant is the legion of Java developers that have been vocal proponents of Macs over recent years. The numbers of such developers might not be so great in an absolute sense, but the amount of noise they create is disproportionate. And, more importantly, they are more motivated to build interesting stuff for the platform they use.
- mweatherill 16y ago
  Lotus Notes and Lotus Symphony aren't consumer apps but they both have a pretty big user base beyond typical Eclipse users. Azureus is the first consumer app that comes to mind.
- aphexairlines 16y ago
  Azureus (Vuze) is one of the most popular bittorrent clients.
- aphexairlines 16y ago
  JDownloader bundles the SWT libraries, but I don't know how much of its UI is written in SWT.

_delirium 16y ago

Firefox is quite popular too, and uses its own custom cross-platform UI toolkit.

stcredzero 16y ago
I've heard of in-house apps being done with XUL. I'm not aware of any used by the general public, other than Firefox. To be a successful cross-platform development environment, there would have to be lots of these. To my knowledge, only web apps are that widespread and used by the general public, not primarily for in-house apps.
- ZeroGravitas 16y ago
  Does Songbird count? I think ActiveState's IDE's are XUL too, but it seesm devs are generally more willing to accept cross-platform apps.
  - CrazedGeek 16y ago
    Miro and the eMusic Downloader should count, too.
- ptomato 16y ago
  http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide
gamble 16y ago
Firefox has never looked or felt like a native application on the Mac. It didn't even have native form controls or pixel-perfect scrolling ala Safari until fairly recently.
mkramlich 16y ago
... and is slow, pillages your RAM, and for many folks is a de facto web IDE. :) Think Firebug, etc.

stcredzero 16y ago

How many general-public end-user apps are built with SWT?

jsankey 16y ago
There don't seem to be many. But I believe it has been used quite extensively in internally-developed applications, never intended for the mass market. The same goes for Swing as well. So although end consumers might not see them, it will certainly take a long time for SWT or Swing to die. These are the same class of applications that are keeping IE 6 alive, after all. Does this matter to Apple? I doubt it's significant, as most of these applications are probably running on Windows desktops already. Probably more significant is the legion of Java developers that have been vocal proponents of Macs over recent years. The numbers of such developers might not be so great in an absolute sense, but the amount of noise they create is disproportionate. And, more importantly, they are more motivated to build interesting stuff for the platform they use.
mweatherill 16y ago
Lotus Notes and Lotus Symphony aren't consumer apps but they both have a pretty big user base beyond typical Eclipse users. Azureus is the first consumer app that comes to mind.
aphexairlines 16y ago
Azureus (Vuze) is one of the most popular bittorrent clients.
aphexairlines 16y ago
JDownloader bundles the SWT libraries, but I don't know how much of its UI is written in SWT.