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I don't understand how is it possible to design a paper ballot that is confusing. In France, you have 1 paper for each candidate with their name + party on the

by maeln 8y ago

I don't understand how is it possible to design a paper ballot that is confusing. In France, you have 1 paper for each candidate with their name + party on the paper. You receive each paper by the post before an election AND there is always all the papers in the voting place anyway. You just put the paper of the candidate you want to vote for in the ballot box and that is it. I understand there is more complicated voting system (e.g where you can rate candidate), but when do you need to choose one option in several, why would anybody want to use a different voting paper design ?

theandrewbailey 8y ago
> I don't understand how is it possible to design a paper ballot that is confusing. Say hello to the butterfly ballot: https://www.asktog.com/columns/042ButterflyBallot.html https://www.asktog.com/columns/042ButterflyBallot.html > You receive each paper by the post before an election AND there is always all the papers in the voting place anyway. That opens the possibility to observe people picking up the paper of $CONTROVERSIAL_CANDIDATE and dropping it into the box, thus revealing who they voted for.
- martinml 8y ago
  They usually are behind a closed booth, at least in Spain.
- baud147258 8y ago
  > That opens the possibility to observe people picking up the paper of $CONTROVERSIAL_CANDIDATE and dropping it into the box, thus revealing who they voted for. You are supposed to pick at least two papers and usually there are enough paper so that everyone can pick one of each. Then you go to a booth, hidden behind a curtain and put one of the paper in an envelope (given after the official has checked your elector's card), discard the other paper in a basket case, then drop the envelope in the ballot box. Of course it limits the possibilities of the vote: one person can only vote for one candidate, on the other hand, it's easier to understand for the voters.
jchb 8y ago
US ballot is a lot more complex than in most western European countries in that voters have a say on a lot more stuff! You vote for president, senate, congress, sheriff, education board members, a bunch of other offices, and also constitutional amendments. All on the same day/occasion - if spreading it out many election days would be needed! A google on “US state general ballot sample” gave me this: https://cdn.ballotpedia.org/images/3/33/Colorado_sample_ballot_%28Sedgwick_County%29.pdf#page=1 https://cdn.ballotpedia.org/images/3/33/Colorado_sample_ball...
toast0 8y ago
As others said, sometimes we are voting on a lot of offices and a lot of initiatives/propositions. A voter is in several different type of districts, and the boundaries often don't line up, so your neighbor may be in the same federal congressional district, but not the same state congressional district, etc. Commonly in California, I voted on congressional districts, water district, lower school school district, high school school district, community college school district, water district, sanitary district, flood control district, vector control district, county supervisors, and I wasn't even in a city to have city supervisors or mayor. Almost all of these electrions are timed together, in order to increase turnout and reduce the election expenses. Ocassionaly, we have hundreds of candidates for one office (ex California governor recall replacement that got Arnold Schwarzenegger into office).

by maeln 8y ago

theandrewbailey 8y ago

> I don't understand how is it possible to design a paper ballot that is confusing. Say hello to the butterfly ballot: https://www.asktog.com/columns/042ButterflyBallot.html https://www.asktog.com/columns/042ButterflyBallot.html > You receive each paper by the post before an election AND there is always all the papers in the voting place anyway. That opens the possibility to observe people picking up the paper of $CONTROVERSIAL_CANDIDATE and dropping it into the box, thus revealing who they voted for.

martinml 8y ago
They usually are behind a closed booth, at least in Spain.
baud147258 8y ago
> That opens the possibility to observe people picking up the paper of $CONTROVERSIAL_CANDIDATE and dropping it into the box, thus revealing who they voted for. You are supposed to pick at least two papers and usually there are enough paper so that everyone can pick one of each. Then you go to a booth, hidden behind a curtain and put one of the paper in an envelope (given after the official has checked your elector's card), discard the other paper in a basket case, then drop the envelope in the ballot box. Of course it limits the possibilities of the vote: one person can only vote for one candidate, on the other hand, it's easier to understand for the voters.

jchb 8y ago

US ballot is a lot more complex than in most western European countries in that voters have a say on a lot more stuff! You vote for president, senate, congress, sheriff, education board members, a bunch of other offices, and also constitutional amendments. All on the same day/occasion - if spreading it out many election days would be needed! A google on “US state general ballot sample” gave me this: https://cdn.ballotpedia.org/images/3/33/Colorado_sample_ballot_%28Sedgwick_County%29.pdf#page=1 https://cdn.ballotpedia.org/images/3/33/Colorado_sample_ball...

toast0 8y ago

As others said, sometimes we are voting on a lot of offices and a lot of initiatives/propositions. A voter is in several different type of districts, and the boundaries often don't line up, so your neighbor may be in the same federal congressional district, but not the same state congressional district, etc. Commonly in California, I voted on congressional districts, water district, lower school school district, high school school district, community college school district, water district, sanitary district, flood control district, vector control district, county supervisors, and I wasn't even in a city to have city supervisors or mayor. Almost all of these electrions are timed together, in order to increase turnout and reduce the election expenses. Ocassionaly, we have hundreds of candidates for one office (ex California governor recall replacement that got Arnold Schwarzenegger into office).