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And the US and the rest of the 5-eyes don't? that doesn't make it right, just more wrong, if you're angry that China is doing this then you should be equally be

And the US and the rest of the 5-eyes don't? that doesn't make it right, just more wrong, if you're angry that China is doing this then you should be equally because the US and 'friends' are doing it to you too

adamiscool8 8y ago
At least in theory FVEY nations are democratically accountable for the behavior.
- cinquemb 8y ago
  Its great to have non scientific theories we can fallback to, rely upon and pat ourselves on the back for when understanding how the world actually is.
- chmod775 8y ago
  Being spied upon by a non-democratic nation is the same as being spied upon by a democratic nation if you're not a citizen - you don't hold any influence over either and neither is accountable to you. So from an outside perspective the US and China are pretty much the same thing in that regard. To top it off, the five eyes nations are spying on each other - so even if you're a citizen of one you're tolerating being spied upon by four other surveillance apparati that aren't accountable to you.
braythwayt 8y ago
“And you are lynching negroes” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes Or if you prefer, the contemporary form: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism —— This varient is particularly useful against anybody with a social justice argument. Let’s say I complain about Google and what appears to be systemic support for sexual coercion by male managers. You can trot out, “But it’s far worse at Uber, did you complain then? No? Have you taken an Uber since then? You have? You have no right to complain now.” Or maybe I say that migrant children have been separated from their families. “You’re a Canadian. Did you speak out against Residentual Schools? No? Then shut up about migrant families.” It’s endlessly applicable.
rurban 8y ago
Not only the 5 eyes, France and Germany do it. Most middle east Arabian states do it. Russia does it. Iran does it. Don't know about India, Pakistan, Indonesia, but it should be assumed that the gov secret population control services are selectively redirecting and sniffing up most of the traffic there also, at least on the European scale, i.e. ~10%.
knightofmars 8y ago
Tu Quoque You avoided having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser - you answered criticism with criticism. Pronounced too-kwo-kwee. Literally translating as 'you too' this fallacy is also known as the appeal to hypocrisy. It is commonly employed as an effective red herring because it takes the heat off someone having to defend their argument, and instead shifts the focus back on to the person making the criticism. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

adamiscool8 8y ago

At least in theory FVEY nations are democratically accountable for the behavior.

cinquemb 8y ago
Its great to have non scientific theories we can fallback to, rely upon and pat ourselves on the back for when understanding how the world actually is.
chmod775 8y ago
Being spied upon by a non-democratic nation is the same as being spied upon by a democratic nation if you're not a citizen - you don't hold any influence over either and neither is accountable to you. So from an outside perspective the US and China are pretty much the same thing in that regard. To top it off, the five eyes nations are spying on each other - so even if you're a citizen of one you're tolerating being spied upon by four other surveillance apparati that aren't accountable to you.

braythwayt 8y ago

“And you are lynching negroes” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes Or if you prefer, the contemporary form: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism —— This varient is particularly useful against anybody with a social justice argument. Let’s say I complain about Google and what appears to be systemic support for sexual coercion by male managers. You can trot out, “But it’s far worse at Uber, did you complain then? No? Have you taken an Uber since then? You have? You have no right to complain now.” Or maybe I say that migrant children have been separated from their families. “You’re a Canadian. Did you speak out against Residentual Schools? No? Then shut up about migrant families.” It’s endlessly applicable.

rurban 8y ago

Not only the 5 eyes, France and Germany do it. Most middle east Arabian states do it. Russia does it. Iran does it. Don't know about India, Pakistan, Indonesia, but it should be assumed that the gov secret population control services are selectively redirecting and sniffing up most of the traffic there also, at least on the European scale, i.e. ~10%.

knightofmars 8y ago

Tu Quoque You avoided having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser - you answered criticism with criticism. Pronounced too-kwo-kwee. Literally translating as 'you too' this fallacy is also known as the appeal to hypocrisy. It is commonly employed as an effective red herring because it takes the heat off someone having to defend their argument, and instead shifts the focus back on to the person making the criticism. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque