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Who are the partners in his coalition ? Left ? Moderate or radicals ? Greens ? Others ?

TomMarius 8y ago
Basically anyone because the point here is to get ANO out of the government. No radicals though. They're moderate left, but they cooperate with parties on the right as well. Greens in the Czech Republic are radical communists.
- rebolek 8y ago
  Greens in Czech Republic are no radical communists, only radical fascists call them this way.
  - Aoyagi 8y ago
    https://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/na-namesti-republiky-se-kona-demonstrace-proti-kapitalismu/1551807 https://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/na-namesti-republiky-se-ko... Uhuh.
    - drb91 8y ago
      At least they have a proper left.... We could use a lot more of this in the US.
      - Scea91 8y ago
        Greens do not hold any political function AFAIK (edit: they still have a few senators). In the past few elections they usually gained only around 3 % of votes. Our 'proper' left parties that have some power are those old-school leftist parties that are pro-Russian. The irony is that they are usually quite fond of Trump.
        drb91 8y ago
        Discourse is a political function. And I sincerely wish our Green Party had ever gotten 3%. I’m not sure what you consider left but I’d hazard a guess we disagree based on your comment.
        Scea91 8y ago
        You do not consider Communist party to be left?
      - lj3 8y ago
        Only an American leftist could look at the chaos and nonsense that is a former soviet republic and say "how can we replicate that misery in the US?"
        drb91 8y ago
        Yes, because left = gulag, right? Let’s just toss all the discussion out and give our cash to the nearest billionaire.
        lj3 8y ago
        Did you miss the part where the bridges were falling down? How can we get ourselves some of that?
        satai 8y ago
        Falling bridges did have a little to do with right/left politics here.
        SEJeff 8y ago
        Not paying for infrastructure is a globally bipartisan issue
        stepanhruda 8y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_International_University_pedestrian_bridge_collapse https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_International_Univer...
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        SEJeff 8y ago
        I don't think that means what you think it means. "leftists" in the US generally prefer "progressive" and tend to stand for equality and social services. The goal is less income inequality and a higher standard of living for everyone. It is the "a rising tide lifts all ships" kind of idea. This is why they often support higher minimum wages and job training programs for unskilled people to learn skilled jobs.
    - tjelen 8y ago
      That's quite a misleading link - "Mladi zeleni" are not the Green party.
      - llcoolv 8y ago
        https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mlad%C3%AD_zelen%C3%AD https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mlad%C3%AD_zelen%C3%AD "Mladí zelení jsou úzce navázaní na Stranu zelených" Young greens are tightly linked with the Green party. It is in fact the youth wing of the green party.
  - TomMarius 8y ago
    I'm not sure but what is a party if not radical communist when its leader proposes a ban on private flights because "normal people should not be able to afford it", supports nationalization of private property and so on? I know the leader has departed but obviously he had the party's support. He lost support because of bad election result, not because they didn't agree with him. From my discussion with other significant Green party members that want to nationalize infrastructure companies, ban cars, increase taxation a lot, redistribute wealth in large amounts etc I'm not really sure what else should they be if not radical communists. Please don't call people who aren't actually fascist "radical fascists" ever again. It's a huge insult here; the fascists killed a lot of my family. Fun fact for others: We call the Green party "The Watermelons" - because they're green on the outside but red on the inside.
- arbitrary_name 8y ago
  Good.
- frant-hartm 8y ago
  I wouldn't call them moderate left. They have quite few right wing policies in their program - lowering taxes, flat tax rate, keeping deficit low, removing bureaucracy. They would be appealing to people who are right wing economically, but don't like the conservative/religious baggage, which comes with US republicans or UK's conservatives.
  - TomMarius 8y ago
    Yes but at the same time they're proposing more government control on issues like Airbnb, Uber, etc. Regardless of whether I or you think it's good or bad, it's leftist. Low taxes are not necessarily rightist, people would want low and fair taxes even within a full-on socialism; same with everything else you listed, IMO these ideas are neutral. Keeping deficit low is just basic financial management, everyone wants that regardless of their ideas about control. The difference is whether they want more free market or more government control, even if the control is very cheap, straight forward and efficient or even beneficial, it doesn't matter. The Chinese communist party also lowered taxes and tries to lower bureaucracy but remains communist (I know, it's much more complex - let's not dive into Chinese politics - and I'm not trying to compare them, just an example how a popularly "rightist" idea can be proposed/implemented by a leftist party). But yes, as you said they're appealing to people on the right - because as someone who's pro-free market it's better to vote moderate left (and hope they won't focus on the ideas you don't like) than conservative right (who will definitely focus on ideas you don't like these ideas are their main point).
satai 8y ago
TOP09 + Mayors + Christian democrats + Liberals - pro EU right/centrists. Quite sane and with some experience. Praha Sobe - an local movement led by a popular mayor of one of Prague neighborhoods Cizinsky. Hard to characterize in left/wing system. Not included: ODS - "right wing" mix of conservative populists, anti-EU nationalists, local department of corruption and some sane and competent people. Aggressive anti-pirates campaign put them out possible coalitions (though they got most votes). ANO - technocratic/populistic party lead by an StB agent billionare. They screwed the last 4 years really big way (collapsing bridges...). Spent zillions on campaign in the last year. Not even got any seats: soc-dem (Left wing. Local department of corruption and without sane/competent people. Screwed the last 4 years big way together with ANO), greens, communists, SPD (not even trying to pretend they are not fascist any more), other local formations, circus party (don't ask, please)...
- consp 8y ago
  > circus party (don't ask, please)... You are forcing me to ask: Wait, what party?
  - drej 8y ago
    Here is an article, let's hope the translation is bearable. https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fzpravy.idnes.cz%2Fkomunalni-volby-praha-olomouc-jauner-ceskoslovensko-2018-p2p-%2Fdomaci.aspx%3Fc%3DA180823_083558_domaci_bja&edit-text=&act=url https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&pr...
    - consp 8y ago
      Ok, at least they are a one issue party (improve circuses!). Then again, the are a one issue party ... Thang you for the info.
  - megous 8y ago
    More like circus family. :) There were like 8 people with the same surname on the ballot for the party.

Basically anyone because the point here is to get ANO out of the government. No radicals though. They're moderate left, but they cooperate with parties on the right as well. Greens in the Czech Republic are radical communists.

rebolek 8y ago
Greens in Czech Republic are no radical communists, only radical fascists call them this way.
- Aoyagi 8y ago
  https://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/na-namesti-republiky-se-kona-demonstrace-proti-kapitalismu/1551807 https://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/na-namesti-republiky-se-ko... Uhuh.
  - drb91 8y ago
    At least they have a proper left.... We could use a lot more of this in the US.
    - Scea91 8y ago
      Greens do not hold any political function AFAIK (edit: they still have a few senators). In the past few elections they usually gained only around 3 % of votes. Our 'proper' left parties that have some power are those old-school leftist parties that are pro-Russian. The irony is that they are usually quite fond of Trump.
      - drb91 8y ago
        Discourse is a political function. And I sincerely wish our Green Party had ever gotten 3%. I’m not sure what you consider left but I’d hazard a guess we disagree based on your comment.
        Scea91 8y ago
        You do not consider Communist party to be left?
    - lj3 8y ago
      Only an American leftist could look at the chaos and nonsense that is a former soviet republic and say "how can we replicate that misery in the US?"
      - drb91 8y ago
        Yes, because left = gulag, right? Let’s just toss all the discussion out and give our cash to the nearest billionaire.
        lj3 8y ago
        Did you miss the part where the bridges were falling down? How can we get ourselves some of that?
        satai 8y ago
        Falling bridges did have a little to do with right/left politics here.
        SEJeff 8y ago
        Not paying for infrastructure is a globally bipartisan issue
        stepanhruda 8y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_International_University_pedestrian_bridge_collapse https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_International_Univer...
        deleted 8y ago
        [deleted]
      - SEJeff 8y ago
        I don't think that means what you think it means. "leftists" in the US generally prefer "progressive" and tend to stand for equality and social services. The goal is less income inequality and a higher standard of living for everyone. It is the "a rising tide lifts all ships" kind of idea. This is why they often support higher minimum wages and job training programs for unskilled people to learn skilled jobs.
  - tjelen 8y ago
    That's quite a misleading link - "Mladi zeleni" are not the Green party.
    - llcoolv 8y ago
      https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mlad%C3%AD_zelen%C3%AD https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mlad%C3%AD_zelen%C3%AD "Mladí zelení jsou úzce navázaní na Stranu zelených" Young greens are tightly linked with the Green party. It is in fact the youth wing of the green party.
- TomMarius 8y ago
  I'm not sure but what is a party if not radical communist when its leader proposes a ban on private flights because "normal people should not be able to afford it", supports nationalization of private property and so on? I know the leader has departed but obviously he had the party's support. He lost support because of bad election result, not because they didn't agree with him. From my discussion with other significant Green party members that want to nationalize infrastructure companies, ban cars, increase taxation a lot, redistribute wealth in large amounts etc I'm not really sure what else should they be if not radical communists. Please don't call people who aren't actually fascist "radical fascists" ever again. It's a huge insult here; the fascists killed a lot of my family. Fun fact for others: We call the Green party "The Watermelons" - because they're green on the outside but red on the inside.
arbitrary_name 8y ago
Good.
frant-hartm 8y ago
I wouldn't call them moderate left. They have quite few right wing policies in their program - lowering taxes, flat tax rate, keeping deficit low, removing bureaucracy. They would be appealing to people who are right wing economically, but don't like the conservative/religious baggage, which comes with US republicans or UK's conservatives.
- TomMarius 8y ago
  Yes but at the same time they're proposing more government control on issues like Airbnb, Uber, etc. Regardless of whether I or you think it's good or bad, it's leftist. Low taxes are not necessarily rightist, people would want low and fair taxes even within a full-on socialism; same with everything else you listed, IMO these ideas are neutral. Keeping deficit low is just basic financial management, everyone wants that regardless of their ideas about control. The difference is whether they want more free market or more government control, even if the control is very cheap, straight forward and efficient or even beneficial, it doesn't matter. The Chinese communist party also lowered taxes and tries to lower bureaucracy but remains communist (I know, it's much more complex - let's not dive into Chinese politics - and I'm not trying to compare them, just an example how a popularly "rightist" idea can be proposed/implemented by a leftist party). But yes, as you said they're appealing to people on the right - because as someone who's pro-free market it's better to vote moderate left (and hope they won't focus on the ideas you don't like) than conservative right (who will definitely focus on ideas you don't like these ideas are their main point).

satai 8y ago

TOP09 + Mayors + Christian democrats + Liberals - pro EU right/centrists. Quite sane and with some experience. Praha Sobe - an local movement led by a popular mayor of one of Prague neighborhoods Cizinsky. Hard to characterize in left/wing system. Not included: ODS - "right wing" mix of conservative populists, anti-EU nationalists, local department of corruption and some sane and competent people. Aggressive anti-pirates campaign put them out possible coalitions (though they got most votes). ANO - technocratic/populistic party lead by an StB agent billionare. They screwed the last 4 years really big way (collapsing bridges...). Spent zillions on campaign in the last year. Not even got any seats: soc-dem (Left wing. Local department of corruption and without sane/competent people. Screwed the last 4 years big way together with ANO), greens, communists, SPD (not even trying to pretend they are not fascist any more), other local formations, circus party (don't ask, please)...

consp 8y ago
> circus party (don't ask, please)... You are forcing me to ask: Wait, what party?
- drej 8y ago
  Here is an article, let's hope the translation is bearable. https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fzpravy.idnes.cz%2Fkomunalni-volby-praha-olomouc-jauner-ceskoslovensko-2018-p2p-%2Fdomaci.aspx%3Fc%3DA180823_083558_domaci_bja&edit-text=&act=url https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&pr...
  - consp 8y ago
    Ok, at least they are a one issue party (improve circuses!). Then again, the are a one issue party ... Thang you for the info.
- megous 8y ago
  More like circus family. :) There were like 8 people with the same surname on the ballot for the party.