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ICANN Frees .Amazon Domain for Company Delegation

34 points by r3bl 8y ago

walrus01 8y ago
What happens if I want to register balls.amazon and put up a simple httpd with a picture of somebody polishing the Seattle "spheres"?
B1FF_PSUVM 8y ago
Other (yesterday's) news: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/25/amazon_domain_kindles/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/25/amazon_domain_kindl... "Amazon tried to entice Latin American officials with $5m in Kindles, AWS credits for .amazon - Brazil, Peru snub cheap gifts, refuse to unblock dot-word"
baq 8y ago
what's worth more - amazon the river or amazon the company?
- Symbiote 8y ago
  Without question it's the river/rainforest. It's one of the most biodiverse regions in the world, with over 16,000 species in an area of 7,000,000km².
  - ape4 8y ago
    Big enough to have its own TLD
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - skrebbel 8y ago
    16,000 species that won't last long anymore, not without their own TLD.
  - esrauch 8y ago
    How much more is it worth than if it only had 1000 species?
- pleasecalllater 8y ago
  Does it matter in this case?
- chrisweekly 8y ago
  Can't recall where I saw it but someone created a visual comparison of volume / time (ie, throughput) of the Amazon River vs Amazon.com's delivery of physical goods. The river won by a lot, but they were on the same scale. Edit: of course, it was xkcd: https://www.xkcd.com/1165/ https://www.xkcd.com/1165/
  - wccrawford 8y ago
    .9 vs 220,000 isn't really "on the same scale".
    - chrisweekly 8y ago
      Well, a few orders of magnitude, anyway. It was more the notion that they were even conceivably comparable that stuck w/ me.
beaker52 8y ago
I think they should only offer these domains to companies who demonstrate a commitment to protecting the Amazon environmentally. It'd be a crying shame for logging companies to have .amazon domains for example.
wokwokwok 8y ago
Mm... these TLDs fee like they’ve been a scam since the start. You want amazon? You’re a bad guy. You don’t want amazon? Someone else gets it, phishes your users, you’re a bad guy. It’s kind of a protection racket... There’s a whole lot about this whole thing going at with the ICAAN I’m not comfortable with.
- spacenick88 8y ago
  I think the best move for Amazon would be to take the domain and just have it redirect to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/amazon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/amazon
- CalRobert 8y ago
  They were, and are. It's not even subtle. In fact, Donuts allows (allowed?) you to purchase the option to block other people registering `yourname.*` for all their tld's, at a lower price than actually getting the domains yourself. https://www.101domain.com/donuts_defensive_registration_for_trademark_owners.htm https://www.101domain.com/donuts_defensive_registration_for_... Conversations with people responsible for this product revealed the motive to be extortion.
DiabloD3 8y ago
Should major DNS servers just stop resolving TLDs that are not either the original six (com, net, org, edu, gov, mil) or a ccTLD? Most spam comes from domains registered with these fake TLDs that ICANN has sponsored over the past decade, and apparently being an internationally recognized region isn't enough to stop a company named after the region from taking your quasi-ccTLD (if .eu exists, so can .amazon). The term "cultural appropriation" is massively overused nowadays, but naming the company this, then years later stealing their TLD (and thus adding an entry to the long list of abuse that fake TLDs have caused) would be an appropriate use IMO. https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/follow-the-money-lessons-from-jeff-bezos.html https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/follow-the-money-lessons-... Not kidding, he just named it Amazon because its the biggest river in the world, not even questioning if that was the right thing to do.
- deleted 8y ago
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- M2Ys4U 8y ago
  .eu is a different case as two-letter TLDs are ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 codes and EU is exceptionally reserved.
- zokier 8y ago
  > Should major DNS servers just stop resolving TLDs that are not either the original six (com, net, org, edu, gov, mil) or a ccTLD? While we are at it, should we also deprecate the legacy tlds (.com etc). They should have been mostly moved to under .us when cctlds were introduced
  - stephen_g 8y ago
    I think it’s fine to have generic .com, .org, .net and so on. These are useful given there are multinational companies, organisations, etc. so there’s no reason to mess with that. What I think is really inappropriate is that .gov, .edu and .mil are US-only. These should either be opened up to all countries, or phased out. I think for these particular ones, phasing out would be the best way - i.e, no new registrations, every domain owner gets matching (edu,mil,gov).us domains, and then requiring them to only serve redirects to the new domains and not content after a few months.
yitchelle 8y ago
Other than having a .com because most folks will just add a .com at the end of the name when URLing, what are the other practical use cases for having a TLD anyway?
- chupasaurus 8y ago
  Here in Russia s/com/ru/, and .su zone had a 5% of active sites in russian for a decade. And .xn--p1ai is the biggest IDN ccTLD by number of second-level domains. Point is, language/culture/country-based differentiation is still a use case.
amaccuish 8y ago
I think a better example of this new policy is Google getting "docs.new". What about onedrive or other companies. ICANN should never have started down this path and opened this can of worms.

34 points by r3bl 8y ago

What happens if I want to register balls.amazon and put up a simple httpd with a picture of somebody polishing the Seattle "spheres"?

B1FF_PSUVM 8y ago

Other (yesterday's) news: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/25/amazon_domain_kindles/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/25/amazon_domain_kindl... "Amazon tried to entice Latin American officials with $5m in Kindles, AWS credits for .amazon - Brazil, Peru snub cheap gifts, refuse to unblock dot-word"

baq 8y ago

what's worth more - amazon the river or amazon the company?

Symbiote 8y ago
Without question it's the river/rainforest. It's one of the most biodiverse regions in the world, with over 16,000 species in an area of 7,000,000km².
- ape4 8y ago
  Big enough to have its own TLD
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- skrebbel 8y ago
  16,000 species that won't last long anymore, not without their own TLD.
- esrauch 8y ago
  How much more is it worth than if it only had 1000 species?
pleasecalllater 8y ago
Does it matter in this case?
chrisweekly 8y ago
Can't recall where I saw it but someone created a visual comparison of volume / time (ie, throughput) of the Amazon River vs Amazon.com's delivery of physical goods. The river won by a lot, but they were on the same scale. Edit: of course, it was xkcd: https://www.xkcd.com/1165/ https://www.xkcd.com/1165/
- wccrawford 8y ago
  .9 vs 220,000 isn't really "on the same scale".
  - chrisweekly 8y ago
    Well, a few orders of magnitude, anyway. It was more the notion that they were even conceivably comparable that stuck w/ me.

beaker52 8y ago

I think they should only offer these domains to companies who demonstrate a commitment to protecting the Amazon environmentally. It'd be a crying shame for logging companies to have .amazon domains for example.

wokwokwok 8y ago

Mm... these TLDs fee like they’ve been a scam since the start. You want amazon? You’re a bad guy. You don’t want amazon? Someone else gets it, phishes your users, you’re a bad guy. It’s kind of a protection racket... There’s a whole lot about this whole thing going at with the ICAAN I’m not comfortable with.

spacenick88 8y ago
I think the best move for Amazon would be to take the domain and just have it redirect to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/amazon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/amazon
CalRobert 8y ago
They were, and are. It's not even subtle. In fact, Donuts allows (allowed?) you to purchase the option to block other people registering `yourname.*` for all their tld's, at a lower price than actually getting the domains yourself. https://www.101domain.com/donuts_defensive_registration_for_trademark_owners.htm https://www.101domain.com/donuts_defensive_registration_for_... Conversations with people responsible for this product revealed the motive to be extortion.

DiabloD3 8y ago

Should major DNS servers just stop resolving TLDs that are not either the original six (com, net, org, edu, gov, mil) or a ccTLD? Most spam comes from domains registered with these fake TLDs that ICANN has sponsored over the past decade, and apparently being an internationally recognized region isn't enough to stop a company named after the region from taking your quasi-ccTLD (if .eu exists, so can .amazon). The term "cultural appropriation" is massively overused nowadays, but naming the company this, then years later stealing their TLD (and thus adding an entry to the long list of abuse that fake TLDs have caused) would be an appropriate use IMO. https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/follow-the-money-lessons-from-jeff-bezos.html https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/follow-the-money-lessons-... Not kidding, he just named it Amazon because its the biggest river in the world, not even questioning if that was the right thing to do.

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M2Ys4U 8y ago
.eu is a different case as two-letter TLDs are ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 codes and EU is exceptionally reserved.
zokier 8y ago
> Should major DNS servers just stop resolving TLDs that are not either the original six (com, net, org, edu, gov, mil) or a ccTLD? While we are at it, should we also deprecate the legacy tlds (.com etc). They should have been mostly moved to under .us when cctlds were introduced
- stephen_g 8y ago
  I think it’s fine to have generic .com, .org, .net and so on. These are useful given there are multinational companies, organisations, etc. so there’s no reason to mess with that. What I think is really inappropriate is that .gov, .edu and .mil are US-only. These should either be opened up to all countries, or phased out. I think for these particular ones, phasing out would be the best way - i.e, no new registrations, every domain owner gets matching (edu,mil,gov).us domains, and then requiring them to only serve redirects to the new domains and not content after a few months.

yitchelle 8y ago

Other than having a .com because most folks will just add a .com at the end of the name when URLing, what are the other practical use cases for having a TLD anyway?

chupasaurus 8y ago
Here in Russia s/com/ru/, and .su zone had a 5% of active sites in russian for a decade. And .xn--p1ai is the biggest IDN ccTLD by number of second-level domains. Point is, language/culture/country-based differentiation is still a use case.

amaccuish 8y ago

I think a better example of this new policy is Google getting "docs.new". What about onedrive or other companies. ICANN should never have started down this path and opened this can of worms.