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> If importing Apple-labeled products that aren’t Apple‘s property nor have been sold by Apple That's moving the goal post. The original statement said "looks

> If importing Apple-labeled products that aren’t Apple‘s property nor have been sold by Apple That's moving the goal post. The original statement said "looks like an Apple part", and now you're assuming it was never sold by Apple. How is customs to know the difference of whether it's original unsold inventory or refurbished inventory? I have a well defined legal right to sell an iPhone I own (whether bought from Apple or some other entity, as long as it originated from an Apple sale). I'm not sure why it should matter if I ship it internationally or not (that is to say, it should not matter, as long as it's an original device and not a copy). > Apple couldn’t outsource production, as it would be undercut by its own manufacturers. My rights should not be curtailed because the market needs of a single company. > So, I don’t see why, in general, you should be able to ”import a real part into the US from the very same Chinese factory that the "officially-supplied" parts would be shipped from”, if you didn’t buy it from Apple. As a separate issue, since it's a specific sub-part of the original claims, if the parts are not patented and do not display a trademarked logo, they should not be blocked, but I don't know if the specific case you are alluding refrained from adding a logo. That said, if the batteries were repaired at the factory, and it was refurbished equipment being shipped, there is no reason that I know of they should have been blocked, logo or not. News sources are saying they were refurbished batteries. Why should those be blocked?

Someone 8y ago
”My rights should not be curtailed because the market needs of a single company” That’s at the root of the problem. Many customers want to have access to spare parts, but is it their right? I think car manufacturers are required to provide spare parts for a reasonable time, but I’m not aware of laws or regulations requiring that for other products. Even if they exist, I don’t know enough about the examples involving Apple to know whether they are in breach of any regulations.
- kbenson 8y ago
  >> My rights should not be curtailed because the market needs of a single company > That’s at the root of the problem. Many customers want to have access to spare parts, but is it their right? That's not what I was saying. If counterfeit items are blocked, I don't care. The law specifically makes an allowance for organizations to block copies of products at the border. But legitimate Apple products that are used (i.e. have been sold and refurbished by Apple) are blocked, as was clearly noted in the original comment, preventing those at the border if they are being sold by (and maybe bought by?) a U.S. citizen, that seems to clearly infringe on their rights. > I think car manufacturers are required to provide spare parts for a reasonable time, but I’m not aware of laws or regulations requiring that for other products. It's not about the right to get or buy something, it's about people's rights to resell things. > Even if they exist, I don’t know enough about the examples involving Apple to know whether they are in breach of any regulations. I don't know a huge amount either, but they are noted in the news as "refurbished". That said, the agreement Apple has, if it functions as described in this thread, clearly seems to infringe on people's right to resell Apple products if they happen to pass through customs.

Someone 8y ago

”My rights should not be curtailed because the market needs of a single company” That’s at the root of the problem. Many customers want to have access to spare parts, but is it their right? I think car manufacturers are required to provide spare parts for a reasonable time, but I’m not aware of laws or regulations requiring that for other products. Even if they exist, I don’t know enough about the examples involving Apple to know whether they are in breach of any regulations.

kbenson 8y ago
>> My rights should not be curtailed because the market needs of a single company > That’s at the root of the problem. Many customers want to have access to spare parts, but is it their right? That's not what I was saying. If counterfeit items are blocked, I don't care. The law specifically makes an allowance for organizations to block copies of products at the border. But legitimate Apple products that are used (i.e. have been sold and refurbished by Apple) are blocked, as was clearly noted in the original comment, preventing those at the border if they are being sold by (and maybe bought by?) a U.S. citizen, that seems to clearly infringe on their rights. > I think car manufacturers are required to provide spare parts for a reasonable time, but I’m not aware of laws or regulations requiring that for other products. It's not about the right to get or buy something, it's about people's rights to resell things. > Even if they exist, I don’t know enough about the examples involving Apple to know whether they are in breach of any regulations. I don't know a huge amount either, but they are noted in the news as "refurbished". That said, the agreement Apple has, if it functions as described in this thread, clearly seems to infringe on people's right to resell Apple products if they happen to pass through customs.