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How about fleeing to lower cost of living states. I don't think their politics have much to do with the cost of living. Some very blue states like Hawaii and De

How about fleeing to lower cost of living states. I don't think their politics have much to do with the cost of living. Some very blue states like Hawaii and Delaware have very low property taxes and Washington has no income tax.

themodelplumber 8y ago
I grew up in Washington and remember how excited everyone was to go shopping in Oregon and not have to pay sales tax.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> How about fleeing to lower cost of living states. I don't think their politics have much to do with the cost of living. Politics has a lot to do with broad economic outcomes (in both directions) which has a lot to do with cost of living specifically. > Some very blue states like Hawaii and Delaware have very low property taxes So does California. Not that that makes any of them low cost of living states.
- everdev 8y ago
  Another theory is that it's the desirability of the location. I'm sure there are plenty of high cost of living areas in the highly desirable areas of red states and plenty of low cost of living areas in the least desirable parts of blue states. I'd guess that local beauty, amenities, jobs and housing supply has a much greater correlation and causation with housing prices than state wide political identity. Let's not forget that political identity has huge roots in culture not just economics.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > I'd guess that local beauty, amenities, jobs and housing supply has a much greater correlation and causation with housing prices than state wide political identity. All of those things are influenced significantly by government policy; politics isn't just identity. (Local climate is a factor that is relevant, and isn't particularly sensitive to local politics, but it doesn't overpower all the things that are sensitive to that.)
tofof 8y ago
Why would you flee cost of living in California by moving to the only state with an even higher one (Hawaii), or to any in the upper 30% (Delaware, Washington)? sources: https://www.missourieconomy.org/indicators/cost_of_living/ https://www.missourieconomy.org/indicators/cost_of_living/ https://www.fool.com/slideshow/15-states-highest-cost-living/ https://www.fool.com/slideshow/15-states-highest-cost-living...
egypturnash 8y ago
The cost of living in Seattle, WA is, uh, not insignificant, to say the least. And if you move to Eastern Washington then you're in a whole bunch of GOP-voting counties with a hell of a lot less in the way of jobs a rich techie would be interested in.
- abecedarius 8y ago
  How about Vancouver, WA? (Across from Portland, not the city in Canada.) I’m thinking of checking it out.
  - tjr225 8y ago
    Vancouver is most notably home to white supremacy/far right groups. Also, the very thought of commuting across the Columbia river is enough to drive me crazy.
  - canhascodez 8y ago
    There's not a lot of "there" there, in my experience. What do you think you'd like about the place?
    - abecedarius 8y ago
      Several double negatives: 1. No state income tax. 2. Not-preposterous rents. 3. Not-terrible climate? 4. It's still an actual city, I guess? What I'd ideally want is Los Angeles weather with something like New Hampshire government. Doesn't seem to be on offer.
      - canhascodez 8y ago
        Classifying Vancouver as an "actual city" makes me wonder about that qualification. I think that in many ways it's simply a suburb of Portland. The climate isn't that bad, but it's a lot closer to Seattle than Los Angeles. Alaska's a pretty cool place. Just as long as I don't have to live there, I mean.
  - 8y ago
BurningFrog 8y ago
> I don't think their politics have much to do with the cost of living. There is certainly a clear correlation. Whether it's causation is of course up for debate.

themodelplumber 8y ago

I grew up in Washington and remember how excited everyone was to go shopping in Oregon and not have to pay sales tax.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> How about fleeing to lower cost of living states. I don't think their politics have much to do with the cost of living. Politics has a lot to do with broad economic outcomes (in both directions) which has a lot to do with cost of living specifically. > Some very blue states like Hawaii and Delaware have very low property taxes So does California. Not that that makes any of them low cost of living states.

everdev 8y ago
Another theory is that it's the desirability of the location. I'm sure there are plenty of high cost of living areas in the highly desirable areas of red states and plenty of low cost of living areas in the least desirable parts of blue states. I'd guess that local beauty, amenities, jobs and housing supply has a much greater correlation and causation with housing prices than state wide political identity. Let's not forget that political identity has huge roots in culture not just economics.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > I'd guess that local beauty, amenities, jobs and housing supply has a much greater correlation and causation with housing prices than state wide political identity. All of those things are influenced significantly by government policy; politics isn't just identity. (Local climate is a factor that is relevant, and isn't particularly sensitive to local politics, but it doesn't overpower all the things that are sensitive to that.)

tofof 8y ago

Why would you flee cost of living in California by moving to the only state with an even higher one (Hawaii), or to any in the upper 30% (Delaware, Washington)? sources: https://www.missourieconomy.org/indicators/cost_of_living/ https://www.missourieconomy.org/indicators/cost_of_living/ https://www.fool.com/slideshow/15-states-highest-cost-living/ https://www.fool.com/slideshow/15-states-highest-cost-living...

egypturnash 8y ago

The cost of living in Seattle, WA is, uh, not insignificant, to say the least. And if you move to Eastern Washington then you're in a whole bunch of GOP-voting counties with a hell of a lot less in the way of jobs a rich techie would be interested in.

abecedarius 8y ago
How about Vancouver, WA? (Across from Portland, not the city in Canada.) I’m thinking of checking it out.
- tjr225 8y ago
  Vancouver is most notably home to white supremacy/far right groups. Also, the very thought of commuting across the Columbia river is enough to drive me crazy.
- canhascodez 8y ago
  There's not a lot of "there" there, in my experience. What do you think you'd like about the place?
  - abecedarius 8y ago
    Several double negatives: 1. No state income tax. 2. Not-preposterous rents. 3. Not-terrible climate? 4. It's still an actual city, I guess? What I'd ideally want is Los Angeles weather with something like New Hampshire government. Doesn't seem to be on offer.
    - canhascodez 8y ago
      Classifying Vancouver as an "actual city" makes me wonder about that qualification. I think that in many ways it's simply a suburb of Portland. The climate isn't that bad, but it's a lot closer to Seattle than Los Angeles. Alaska's a pretty cool place. Just as long as I don't have to live there, I mean.
- 8y ago

BurningFrog 8y ago

> I don't think their politics have much to do with the cost of living. There is certainly a clear correlation. Whether it's causation is of course up for debate.