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How so?

by asianthrowaway 8y ago

How so?

bitL 8y ago
How was Anne feeling? How about Chloe & Benji? They don't matter in the overall picture?
- asianthrowaway 8y ago
  Obviously I'm not trying to imply that having affairs is good or desirable... but there's a clear distinction between an affair, which is consensual, and sexual harassment, which is non consensual. The personal drama resulting from an affair is exactly that: personal, and it shouldn't be grounds for termination. On the other hand, sexual harassment is a threat to workspace safety and should obviously be dealt with swiftly.
  - bitL 8y ago
    OK, I agree with the personal/professional split point you touched. Though there is a significant power imbalance, often people are attracted to power/their powerful superiors, and that is a direct threat to workplace stability, maybe even safety, though not as directly as unwanted advances. Still, even if you categorize this as "wanted advances" due to the aforementioned attraction to superior for whatever complex reason, it could be viewed as both a hack in progress from the superior to the person they find attractive and also as a way for the subordinate to improve their standing within the company without any merit. That might be even more demoralizing to a large group of employees than a single instance of a sexual harassment to a single person and termination would be absolutely justified.
    - asianthrowaway 8y ago
      I think you're being way too cynical. No doubt there exists "gold diggers" who will try to seduce their way up the dominance hierarchy, but that is a different topic. And even then, I fail to see how the unfair promotion of a "gold digger" would be more dangerous than having a manager sexually abusing his subordinates. I mean heck, Bill Gates met Melinda when she was a Microsoft employee and they've now been married 20+ years.
stochastic_monk 8y ago
As far as the company goes, they are legally responsible for sexual misconduct on their watch. With regard to affairs, it’s more of a moral issue than a legal one.
- asianthrowaway 8y ago
  It sounds orwellian to me that a company should supervise the personal relationships of its employees and judge of their "morality".
  - stochastic_monk 8y ago
    I agree. That’s my point. IE, affairs aren’t the company’s business, but harassment is.

How so?

bitL 8y ago

How was Anne feeling? How about Chloe & Benji? They don't matter in the overall picture?

asianthrowaway 8y ago
Obviously I'm not trying to imply that having affairs is good or desirable... but there's a clear distinction between an affair, which is consensual, and sexual harassment, which is non consensual. The personal drama resulting from an affair is exactly that: personal, and it shouldn't be grounds for termination. On the other hand, sexual harassment is a threat to workspace safety and should obviously be dealt with swiftly.
- bitL 8y ago
  OK, I agree with the personal/professional split point you touched. Though there is a significant power imbalance, often people are attracted to power/their powerful superiors, and that is a direct threat to workplace stability, maybe even safety, though not as directly as unwanted advances. Still, even if you categorize this as "wanted advances" due to the aforementioned attraction to superior for whatever complex reason, it could be viewed as both a hack in progress from the superior to the person they find attractive and also as a way for the subordinate to improve their standing within the company without any merit. That might be even more demoralizing to a large group of employees than a single instance of a sexual harassment to a single person and termination would be absolutely justified.
  - asianthrowaway 8y ago
    I think you're being way too cynical. No doubt there exists "gold diggers" who will try to seduce their way up the dominance hierarchy, but that is a different topic. And even then, I fail to see how the unfair promotion of a "gold digger" would be more dangerous than having a manager sexually abusing his subordinates. I mean heck, Bill Gates met Melinda when she was a Microsoft employee and they've now been married 20+ years.

stochastic_monk 8y ago

As far as the company goes, they are legally responsible for sexual misconduct on their watch. With regard to affairs, it’s more of a moral issue than a legal one.

asianthrowaway 8y ago
It sounds orwellian to me that a company should supervise the personal relationships of its employees and judge of their "morality".
- stochastic_monk 8y ago
  I agree. That’s my point. IE, affairs aren’t the company’s business, but harassment is.