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> They tend to be more nerdy, introverted, and less masculine(lower testosterone, less aggressive). Not a fan of you making this up based on perceived stereoty

> They tend to be more nerdy, introverted, and less masculine(lower testosterone, less aggressive). Not a fan of you making this up based on perceived stereotypes and then using it to justify an argument. I do agree that these numbers are complicated and require analysis on data that we probably don't have access to.

biglenny 8y ago
I'm curious why you think I am making this up. Testosterone is linked with higher levels of aggression. Anyone who is employed to write code and work with computers works a sedentary job. I don't think it is a ridiculous notion that your average Googler will be nerdier or smarter than the average man. And I hope that just because "low-testosterone" is used as an insult by alt-right losers, you don't associate me with that group or characterize my comment as troll-y.
- bitL 8y ago
  Google has quite a few ripped masculine employees doing dev work in Mountain View... They have to stay in good shape if only for their brains to continue working at the highest level...
  - biglenny 8y ago
    Yeah, I know some. I said "tendency" for a reason. People in this thread seem to think I said "every and without exception".
    - bitL 8y ago
      Get used to it ;-) You can still have some good discussions with people that captured all the shades of your statements properly.
      - biglenny 8y ago
        Yeah sry if I came off aggressive man. Everyone in this thread misinterpreting what I said probably reflects more on ME than them. I need to get better at writing...
        dang 8y ago
        I take it that you didn't mean to, but you effectively trolled this thread by tossing flamebait into an inflammatory topic. Please don't do that in the future. If you'd review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
- rishabhparikh 8y ago
  I think it's a hasty jump to make assumptions about the biology of people based on their job description. Plenty of engineers I work with exercise regularly. I'm curious, do you have any links to research correlating sedentary jobs and testosterone levels?
- DoreenMichele 8y ago
  You are just digging your grave deeper here. Don't assume high testosterone = must be a blue collar worker or sumpin. That's basically classist BS. Pushing code because it is one of the highest paid professions in the world right now and exercises real power could be construed as aggressive as hell on the face of it. There's a reason people bitch about "brogrammer" culture. Even if you ignore that, desk jockeys aren't all sedentary losers. Plenty are buff and pursue Manly Man (TM) activities in their off hours, like sports, martial arts, etc.
  - biglenny 8y ago
    You are the only one who has associated a sedentary job with being a loser or a blue class job with high testosterone. I'd appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth. You seem to be misconstruing a "tendency" for an "absolute blanket on all"
    - DoreenMichele 8y ago
      I didn't use the word loser.
      - biglenny 8y ago
        > Even if you ignore that, desk jockeys aren't all sedentary losers You're right. You used the word "loserS"
        DoreenMichele 8y ago
        My bad. I guess I did.
  - thereare5lights 8y ago
    OP said > They tend to be more nerdy, introverted, and less masculine(lower testosterone, less aggressive). and > Testosterone is linked with higher levels of aggression. Anyone who is employed to write code and work with computers works a sedentary job. > I don't think it is a ridiculous notion that your average Googler will be nerdier or smarter than the average man. And I hope that just because "low-testosterone" is used as an insult by alt-right losers, you don't associate me with that group or characterize my comment as troll-y. At no point did OP say: > Don't assume high testosterone = must be a blue collar worker or sumpin. Your statement isn't even the inverse of OP's statement. The only one that said that is you.
- devmunchies 8y ago
  Google has a lot of right wingers. They just are closeted about it. Doesn’t make them “losers”.
  - biglenny 8y ago
    Dude, how did you get "right-wingers are losers and there are none at Google" from "low-test is an insult used by ALT-right losers"? I wasn't talking about political leaning of Google employees at all. I seriously gotta get better with my words lol. Everyone in this thread seems to be getting a different meaning out of what I said.
    - DenisM 8y ago
      I see that several of your comments were taken backwards and sideways, and I extend my sympathy. Your mistake is not your wording, which is perfectly clear, it's the erroneous choice of the topic article to engage, as that defines both the audience and the discourse manner.
    - devmunchies 8y ago
      I misunderstood you, but I wouldn’t worry about it. It’s just some online discussion.
  - deleted 8y ago
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- belorn 8y ago
  > Testosterone is linked with higher levels of aggression. Testosterone is correlated to higher levels of aggression similar to how estrogen is correlated to emotional instability. It leads to false and rather crappy conclusions which misrepresent what hormones actually does to the human mind. Modern research on testosterone show that higher levels increase the response that a man or woman has when their social status is challenged. If social status is maintained in a group through violence and aggression then those correlate to testosterone, but you can as easily have a company where productivity is the primary trait for social status and then testosterone levels will correlate to productivity when someone have their social status challenged. From a biological perspective, this has a very basic reason. Testosterone goes up when the chance for procreation is high and it can be seen as a modulating effect that encourage the individual to hold on to the current beneficial social status. Aggression in itself is not an effective strategy for that goal and is only relevant if the local culture reward aggression.
baccheion 8y ago
Enough (of both genders) were creepy and assuming/entitled while I was there in 2010. Being more beta, they tended to have difficulty getting laid unless rich and were more open to using/abusing any pull they were perceived to have.

biglenny 8y ago

I'm curious why you think I am making this up. Testosterone is linked with higher levels of aggression. Anyone who is employed to write code and work with computers works a sedentary job. I don't think it is a ridiculous notion that your average Googler will be nerdier or smarter than the average man. And I hope that just because "low-testosterone" is used as an insult by alt-right losers, you don't associate me with that group or characterize my comment as troll-y.

bitL 8y ago
Google has quite a few ripped masculine employees doing dev work in Mountain View... They have to stay in good shape if only for their brains to continue working at the highest level...
- biglenny 8y ago
  Yeah, I know some. I said "tendency" for a reason. People in this thread seem to think I said "every and without exception".
  - bitL 8y ago
    Get used to it ;-) You can still have some good discussions with people that captured all the shades of your statements properly.
    - biglenny 8y ago
      Yeah sry if I came off aggressive man. Everyone in this thread misinterpreting what I said probably reflects more on ME than them. I need to get better at writing...
      - dang 8y ago
        I take it that you didn't mean to, but you effectively trolled this thread by tossing flamebait into an inflammatory topic. Please don't do that in the future. If you'd review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
rishabhparikh 8y ago
I think it's a hasty jump to make assumptions about the biology of people based on their job description. Plenty of engineers I work with exercise regularly. I'm curious, do you have any links to research correlating sedentary jobs and testosterone levels?
DoreenMichele 8y ago
You are just digging your grave deeper here. Don't assume high testosterone = must be a blue collar worker or sumpin. That's basically classist BS. Pushing code because it is one of the highest paid professions in the world right now and exercises real power could be construed as aggressive as hell on the face of it. There's a reason people bitch about "brogrammer" culture. Even if you ignore that, desk jockeys aren't all sedentary losers. Plenty are buff and pursue Manly Man (TM) activities in their off hours, like sports, martial arts, etc.
- biglenny 8y ago
  You are the only one who has associated a sedentary job with being a loser or a blue class job with high testosterone. I'd appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth. You seem to be misconstruing a "tendency" for an "absolute blanket on all"
  - DoreenMichele 8y ago
    I didn't use the word loser.
    - biglenny 8y ago
      > Even if you ignore that, desk jockeys aren't all sedentary losers You're right. You used the word "loserS"
      - DoreenMichele 8y ago
        My bad. I guess I did.
- thereare5lights 8y ago
  OP said > They tend to be more nerdy, introverted, and less masculine(lower testosterone, less aggressive). and > Testosterone is linked with higher levels of aggression. Anyone who is employed to write code and work with computers works a sedentary job. > I don't think it is a ridiculous notion that your average Googler will be nerdier or smarter than the average man. And I hope that just because "low-testosterone" is used as an insult by alt-right losers, you don't associate me with that group or characterize my comment as troll-y. At no point did OP say: > Don't assume high testosterone = must be a blue collar worker or sumpin. Your statement isn't even the inverse of OP's statement. The only one that said that is you.
devmunchies 8y ago
Google has a lot of right wingers. They just are closeted about it. Doesn’t make them “losers”.
- biglenny 8y ago
  Dude, how did you get "right-wingers are losers and there are none at Google" from "low-test is an insult used by ALT-right losers"? I wasn't talking about political leaning of Google employees at all. I seriously gotta get better with my words lol. Everyone in this thread seems to be getting a different meaning out of what I said.
  - DenisM 8y ago
    I see that several of your comments were taken backwards and sideways, and I extend my sympathy. Your mistake is not your wording, which is perfectly clear, it's the erroneous choice of the topic article to engage, as that defines both the audience and the discourse manner.
  - devmunchies 8y ago
    I misunderstood you, but I wouldn’t worry about it. It’s just some online discussion.
- deleted 8y ago
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belorn 8y ago
> Testosterone is linked with higher levels of aggression. Testosterone is correlated to higher levels of aggression similar to how estrogen is correlated to emotional instability. It leads to false and rather crappy conclusions which misrepresent what hormones actually does to the human mind. Modern research on testosterone show that higher levels increase the response that a man or woman has when their social status is challenged. If social status is maintained in a group through violence and aggression then those correlate to testosterone, but you can as easily have a company where productivity is the primary trait for social status and then testosterone levels will correlate to productivity when someone have their social status challenged. From a biological perspective, this has a very basic reason. Testosterone goes up when the chance for procreation is high and it can be seen as a modulating effect that encourage the individual to hold on to the current beneficial social status. Aggression in itself is not an effective strategy for that goal and is only relevant if the local culture reward aggression.

baccheion 8y ago

Enough (of both genders) were creepy and assuming/entitled while I was there in 2010. Being more beta, they tended to have difficulty getting laid unless rich and were more open to using/abusing any pull they were perceived to have.