I think then perhaps redux may simply not be for me. I do feel like unfortunately a lot of teams use it anyway, giving React and a few other things a complex fe

I think then perhaps redux may simply not be for me. I do feel like unfortunately a lot of teams use it anyway, giving React and a few other things a complex feel. When you suddenly take it out of React, at least for simple use-cases, you suddenly feel like React is incredibly simple. If more teams had been more selective about Redux or to simply use it JUST for global state things like color themes, logged in user, and probably a half dozen other things it might have fewer people burned on it. I'm definitely not in your shoes - you're a redux maintainer and I do apologize for my "clusterfuck" comment. But I think fewer people would be burned if architects at the top didn't mis-use and abuse. I've been in projects where just about every tiny little input, checkbox, on 30 or so forms had to go through a convoluted redux action. Then when I finally got into my own React usage, without redux, it was like a super-genius baby landed in my lap dancing like it was 1999.