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Maybe newish coders should learn the language they are using. It's not a language thing. OOP discipline is a coding thing in general. And of course there is t

Maybe newish coders should learn the language they are using. It's not a language thing. OOP discipline is a coding thing in general. And of course there is typescript (and a gazillion of languages that can be transpiled to js these days), which synergizes very well with enterprise people and java/dotnet devs who never did a line of frontend before. You sound like you don't actually understand why people like Typescript, or, more specifically, static typing.

jnbiche 8y ago
> You sound like you don't actually understand why people like Typescript, or, more specifically, static typing. Eh, in my experience, there are two types of Typescript users: 1) those users who appreciate the safety that type systems provide when used properly, and 2) those enterprise users of the language who have mostly only coded Java and C# and who like Typescript because it lets them write Java-style code for the browser.
- tangent128 8y ago
  Typescript doesn't do anything ES6 & Webpack don't already do; Javascript already lets you write Java-style code if you really want to.
  - xab9 8y ago
    I know, but lately during frontend interviews I was surprised how many times I met with "I'm a developer I can do anything" type interviewers - some of them were dotnet, others were java devs and they preferred typescript, because 1. javascript is a terrible language 2. with typescript they feel right at home 3. they can use a "proper ide" (please, don't ask, I already had an argument and a rejection when I tried to ask about webstorm)
  - jnbiche 8y ago
    Typescript significantly predates ES6 and Webpack. Java developers have been drawn to Typescript for over 5 years now.
xab9 8y ago
I "don't actually understand why people like Typescript", or lemonade, or skiing, or eating fish. I know why I like it, including static typing, and how I can find a balance with using its features (and not using some). On the other hand I'm not trying to hide that I'm bitter about the mental lazyness around typescript - I had some bad experience with interviewers who praised ts (without ever bothering to learn the core principles of javascript) a bit too much for my taste (but again, this may just be dismissed as anecdotal evidence, which it is).
- engineeringwoke 8y ago
  You wish we went back to bind and apply? And not being able to trace logic, state, and DOM through a labyrinth of Backbone views? We have come so far How is static typing "mental laziness"?
  - xab9 8y ago
    The article says bind as a negative point - I perefer the new non-bound class method syntax: ``` private handleClick = (event) => {} ``` By "mental lazyness" I mean that people (as in people I have met with) piss on javascript and praise typescript and in the process they never bother to learn about javascript. I do like vue, react, angular of course, but I don't think that you become a frontend developer from one day to the next and keep saying that typescript is _exactly_ like java (or dotnet).
    - wild_preference 8y ago
      So you involved yourself in a faction war because of... some things some interviewers said? Please, spare us next time.

jnbiche 8y ago

> You sound like you don't actually understand why people like Typescript, or, more specifically, static typing. Eh, in my experience, there are two types of Typescript users: 1) those users who appreciate the safety that type systems provide when used properly, and 2) those enterprise users of the language who have mostly only coded Java and C# and who like Typescript because it lets them write Java-style code for the browser.

tangent128 8y ago
Typescript doesn't do anything ES6 & Webpack don't already do; Javascript already lets you write Java-style code if you really want to.
- xab9 8y ago
  I know, but lately during frontend interviews I was surprised how many times I met with "I'm a developer I can do anything" type interviewers - some of them were dotnet, others were java devs and they preferred typescript, because 1. javascript is a terrible language 2. with typescript they feel right at home 3. they can use a "proper ide" (please, don't ask, I already had an argument and a rejection when I tried to ask about webstorm)
- jnbiche 8y ago
  Typescript significantly predates ES6 and Webpack. Java developers have been drawn to Typescript for over 5 years now.

xab9 8y ago

I "don't actually understand why people like Typescript", or lemonade, or skiing, or eating fish. I know why I like it, including static typing, and how I can find a balance with using its features (and not using some). On the other hand I'm not trying to hide that I'm bitter about the mental lazyness around typescript - I had some bad experience with interviewers who praised ts (without ever bothering to learn the core principles of javascript) a bit too much for my taste (but again, this may just be dismissed as anecdotal evidence, which it is).

engineeringwoke 8y ago
You wish we went back to bind and apply? And not being able to trace logic, state, and DOM through a labyrinth of Backbone views? We have come so far How is static typing "mental laziness"?
- xab9 8y ago
  The article says bind as a negative point - I perefer the new non-bound class method syntax: ``` private handleClick = (event) => {} ``` By "mental lazyness" I mean that people (as in people I have met with) piss on javascript and praise typescript and in the process they never bother to learn about javascript. I do like vue, react, angular of course, but I don't think that you become a frontend developer from one day to the next and keep saying that typescript is _exactly_ like java (or dotnet).
  - wild_preference 8y ago
    So you involved yourself in a faction war because of... some things some interviewers said? Please, spare us next time.