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Talk about dedication - not planning on going to burning man, then going with a week's notice, in conservative clothing no less? Ms. Simpson is willing to go to

Talk about dedication - not planning on going to burning man, then going with a week's notice, in conservative clothing no less? Ms. Simpson is willing to go to far greater lengths than I to increase offer prospects... I would have read it differently if she had gone "burning-man" mode, as I'd be tempted to do if invited on a whim like this. I'd always intended to try anyway, so having a guaranteed champion there (and maybe a camp? Unclear if crashing at the camp was implied in the invitation), would make it a fun thing to do. But the conservative clothes makes it seem like she was treating this as a step in the interview process. Why was DeVaul talking about his personal romantic/sexual life in an interview? How stupid of him. What a dumb gamble, even if he was trying to get laid, the risk/reward just doesn't make sense in the context.

stevenwoo 8y ago
It's apparent from reading the article that Google had a widespread and pervasive sexual harassment problem with senior executives freely doing whatever they wanted - that the current chief legal fellow is still there (and got several promotions to the top) after having an extramarital affair and child with another employee in the legal department says everything - he knew all the consequences and how things could turn out and he did it anyways. I would cut a bit of slack to Ms. Simpson, she was only 24, the power imbalance is huge, and reading about the women who have turned down these sort of invitations early in their career is to read a litany of careers crippled. I thought naively that the casting couch was a Hollywood institution but it's just an institution. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/10/harvey-weinstein-and-the-economics-of-consent/543618/ https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/10/ha...
- fjsolwmv 8y ago
  The article says that both founders and the 3rd majority owner triumvirate of Google a violated the company sexually conduct policy. It's part of the founding culture, even before the parade of SVPs.
  - spinchange 8y ago
    This. Tone at the top.
  - ewngzen 8y ago
    Realworld is always more wonderful than novels
- kerng 8y ago
  You speak in past tense. Some of the mentioned Google execs are still at the company, and they are still in high ranking positions of power.
  - stevenwoo 8y ago
    Was tempted to go further but wanted to hew closely to what was supported by the news story and I also do not have any personal experience or knowledge of current work environment.
pascal_cuoq 8y ago
> What a dumb gamble, even if he was trying to get laid, the risk/reward just doesn't make sense in the context. What risk are you thinking of? There has been no consequence for him that I can see. He correctly assessed that there was no risk to him.

stevenwoo 8y ago

It's apparent from reading the article that Google had a widespread and pervasive sexual harassment problem with senior executives freely doing whatever they wanted - that the current chief legal fellow is still there (and got several promotions to the top) after having an extramarital affair and child with another employee in the legal department says everything - he knew all the consequences and how things could turn out and he did it anyways. I would cut a bit of slack to Ms. Simpson, she was only 24, the power imbalance is huge, and reading about the women who have turned down these sort of invitations early in their career is to read a litany of careers crippled. I thought naively that the casting couch was a Hollywood institution but it's just an institution. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/10/harvey-weinstein-and-the-economics-of-consent/543618/ https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/10/ha...

fjsolwmv 8y ago
The article says that both founders and the 3rd majority owner triumvirate of Google a violated the company sexually conduct policy. It's part of the founding culture, even before the parade of SVPs.
- spinchange 8y ago
  This. Tone at the top.
- ewngzen 8y ago
  Realworld is always more wonderful than novels
kerng 8y ago
You speak in past tense. Some of the mentioned Google execs are still at the company, and they are still in high ranking positions of power.
- stevenwoo 8y ago
  Was tempted to go further but wanted to hew closely to what was supported by the news story and I also do not have any personal experience or knowledge of current work environment.

pascal_cuoq 8y ago

> What a dumb gamble, even if he was trying to get laid, the risk/reward just doesn't make sense in the context. What risk are you thinking of? There has been no consequence for him that I can see. He correctly assessed that there was no risk to him.