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It's supply and demand 101, illegal immigration combined with offshoring lowers wages and increases profit margin for the wealthy. Low wage jobs are taken by il

It's supply and demand 101, illegal immigration combined with offshoring lowers wages and increases profit margin for the wealthy. Low wage jobs are taken by illegal immigrants, forcing US citizens to take on debt to go to college, where wages are also lowered because there are now thousands of college grads desperate to pay off their debt that can't be eliminated through bankruptcy due to congress being lobbied. A wonderful scam. Same thing with big tech companies pushing for more H1B to push down engineering wages and lower standard of living. This stuff shouldn't even be left vs right, it should be common sense. Here's bernie sanders talking about how open boarders is pushed by the koch brothers to give them cheap labor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf-k6qOfXz0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf-k6qOfXz0 We're rapidly heading towards feudalism 2.0. You can already see it in the Bay Area(and essentially any major urban area) where only the wealthy can afford a home. The majority pay a large chunk of their income to their landlord

conanbatt 8y ago
Cant see the video now but is Bernie Sanders in favor of the wall then?
bdamm 8y ago
Eh.. it's not that obvious to me. H1B is a result of America having widespread problems producing well educated Americans.
- hopefulengineer 8y ago
  My point is that we should be offering citizenship to these people instead of H1B, which is glorified indentured servitude that only benefits giant corporations. Not to mention the blatant fraud in hiring practices companies use to justify more, ie: nobody in the US has 15 years of experience with ReactJS, tensorflow, or another technology that hasn't even existed that long, so we need more visas. If it was actually about getting talent and not driving down wages we would be giving these people citizenship.
fzeroracer 8y ago
I'd like you to actually cite those claims you've made, because so far you've just repeated a lot of nonsense I hear from people that refuse to back up their arguments with empirical evidence. Immigration is hardly the issue. Low-wage jobs exist because of the lack of labor protections for workers resulting in companies looking for the cheapest and most efficient labor they can, even if it means tapping desperate people who have no other options. If you want to fix the problem, you start by increasing the minimum wage and having proper healthcare. Any other complaints about illegal immigration driving down wages is in my opinion deflection. Because if you remove illegal immigration, they'll just move to exploiting the next most vulnerable population (prison labor, people with disabilities etc)
- ArchTypical 8y ago
  > I'd like you to actually cite those claims you've made You're making a claim in face of evidence. YOU back it up. Choose an urban area at random... https://www.payscale.com/cost-of-living-calculator/Washington-Seattle https://www.payscale.com/cost-of-living-calculator/Washingto... https://www.payscale.com/cost-of-living-calculator/New-York-New-York https://www.payscale.com/cost-of-living-calculator/New-York-... etc - Go wild.
  - fzeroracer 8y ago
    That's not how arguments work. He made a claim without evidence and I called him out on it. Also effectively telling people to just find the results themselves is not an argument either.
    - ArchTypical 8y ago
      > That's not how arguments work Saying you believe something in spite of the data, isn't how arguments work. You have the burden. I await your next deflection.

conanbatt 8y ago

Cant see the video now but is Bernie Sanders in favor of the wall then?

bdamm 8y ago

Eh.. it's not that obvious to me. H1B is a result of America having widespread problems producing well educated Americans.

hopefulengineer 8y ago
My point is that we should be offering citizenship to these people instead of H1B, which is glorified indentured servitude that only benefits giant corporations. Not to mention the blatant fraud in hiring practices companies use to justify more, ie: nobody in the US has 15 years of experience with ReactJS, tensorflow, or another technology that hasn't even existed that long, so we need more visas. If it was actually about getting talent and not driving down wages we would be giving these people citizenship.

fzeroracer 8y ago

I'd like you to actually cite those claims you've made, because so far you've just repeated a lot of nonsense I hear from people that refuse to back up their arguments with empirical evidence. Immigration is hardly the issue. Low-wage jobs exist because of the lack of labor protections for workers resulting in companies looking for the cheapest and most efficient labor they can, even if it means tapping desperate people who have no other options. If you want to fix the problem, you start by increasing the minimum wage and having proper healthcare. Any other complaints about illegal immigration driving down wages is in my opinion deflection. Because if you remove illegal immigration, they'll just move to exploiting the next most vulnerable population (prison labor, people with disabilities etc)

ArchTypical 8y ago
> I'd like you to actually cite those claims you've made You're making a claim in face of evidence. YOU back it up. Choose an urban area at random... https://www.payscale.com/cost-of-living-calculator/Washington-Seattle https://www.payscale.com/cost-of-living-calculator/Washingto... https://www.payscale.com/cost-of-living-calculator/New-York-New-York https://www.payscale.com/cost-of-living-calculator/New-York-... etc - Go wild.
- fzeroracer 8y ago
  That's not how arguments work. He made a claim without evidence and I called him out on it. Also effectively telling people to just find the results themselves is not an argument either.
  - ArchTypical 8y ago
    > That's not how arguments work Saying you believe something in spite of the data, isn't how arguments work. You have the burden. I await your next deflection.