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How is that fact making you terrified in the context of this discussion?

JoeAltmaier 8y ago
JD uses desktop simulators, then simulation using real hardware on test stands with recorded data, then field trials, then controlled trials with partner operators. THEN they release to the public. I'm terrified somebody will think their tweak is 'obviously safe' and share it online and before we know it a combine will run through an elementary school.
- romwell 8y ago
  Ah, so you are afraid people that people who use and repair tractors, and can already break them in many ways that you don't understand (e.g. mechanically), will break them in a way you do understand (using software!), and so you would rather have those ways be illegal to keep you from worrying. Using your line of reasoning, we should close down repair shops altogether. How can we trust people without engineering degrees work on something like brakes? Before we know it, we'll see buses full of schoolchildren on fire or something. The fearmongering aspect of "combine running through an elementary school" aside (although perhaps the fact that schools aren't usually located in corn fields and have walls could warrant a reminder), I personally find the general approach of "I am afraid of X, so let's make/keep X illegal" terrifying.
  - JoeAltmaier 8y ago
    Make up any story you like, but please don't attribute it to me. That's just a Strawman and we expect better here. I won't respond any more, since I'm pretty sure that's trolling.
    - davemp 8y ago
      GP is phrased pretty poorly and disrespectfully. Though I think there is a decent underlying point. People are generally pretty good at not putting questionable, critical parts into vehicles. Hopefully that holds for the software "part" as well. Maybe if software engineering moves towards better testing practices, we'd have reliable methods to test whether firmware was safe or not. Many states already require vehicle safety inspections to address concerns such as yours. I could see states requiring manufactures work with the state to provide a way to inspect the firmware for safety, (not just checking the hash against the manufacturer code).
    - JaimeThompson 8y ago
      To be honest statements like "before we know it a combine will run through an elementary school." could be considered a bit extreme / trollish don't you think?
  - Dowwie 8y ago
    Ad hominem attacks are frowned upon here
- Sacho 8y ago
  How would the combine run through an elementary school? Is it automated - no driver in the seat?
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JD uses desktop simulators, then simulation using real hardware on test stands with recorded data, then field trials, then controlled trials with partner operators. THEN they release to the public. I'm terrified somebody will think their tweak is 'obviously safe' and share it online and before we know it a combine will run through an elementary school.

romwell 8y ago
Ah, so you are afraid people that people who use and repair tractors, and can already break them in many ways that you don't understand (e.g. mechanically), will break them in a way you do understand (using software!), and so you would rather have those ways be illegal to keep you from worrying. Using your line of reasoning, we should close down repair shops altogether. How can we trust people without engineering degrees work on something like brakes? Before we know it, we'll see buses full of schoolchildren on fire or something. The fearmongering aspect of "combine running through an elementary school" aside (although perhaps the fact that schools aren't usually located in corn fields and have walls could warrant a reminder), I personally find the general approach of "I am afraid of X, so let's make/keep X illegal" terrifying.
- JoeAltmaier 8y ago
  Make up any story you like, but please don't attribute it to me. That's just a Strawman and we expect better here. I won't respond any more, since I'm pretty sure that's trolling.
  - davemp 8y ago
    GP is phrased pretty poorly and disrespectfully. Though I think there is a decent underlying point. People are generally pretty good at not putting questionable, critical parts into vehicles. Hopefully that holds for the software "part" as well. Maybe if software engineering moves towards better testing practices, we'd have reliable methods to test whether firmware was safe or not. Many states already require vehicle safety inspections to address concerns such as yours. I could see states requiring manufactures work with the state to provide a way to inspect the firmware for safety, (not just checking the hash against the manufacturer code).
  - JaimeThompson 8y ago
    To be honest statements like "before we know it a combine will run through an elementary school." could be considered a bit extreme / trollish don't you think?
- Dowwie 8y ago
  Ad hominem attacks are frowned upon here
Sacho 8y ago
How would the combine run through an elementary school? Is it automated - no driver in the seat?
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