> Isn't "innocent until proven guilty" one of those rules? Yeah. If I stab someone, and they get a picture of the event on camera, and then use that picture to

> Isn't "innocent until proven guilty" one of those rules? Yeah. If I stab someone, and they get a picture of the event on camera, and then use that picture to find me- that's ok. They don't need to convict me to do that. > And aren't "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" supposed to be inalienable human rights? Yep. The pursuit of happiness is to steal everything you own. By your implied logic, that should be 100% legal. Subsequent laws have no affect if they violate those three things, right? > There you go again, pretending that ICE/CBP never bother anybody who's here legally. That's just not reality, and the cases where they overstep their own legal bounds are the ones that are most relevant here. We are a country of laws and rules, with nobody above those, right? You're trying to conflate illegal immigration with ICE/CBP abuses. They are two different issues.