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#1 - A VPS that you can run multiple services on is 5 quid a month. I spent more than that on a single train in to the city today. Or you can just run from a

#1 - A VPS that you can run multiple services on is 5 quid a month. I spent more than that on a single train in to the city today. Or you can just run from a residential connection for effectively free if your service is _that_ small. #2 - "Serverless" paradigms change often enough that it's essentially another form of patching. It's also obviously not true, any system you write code on needs to be patched because it has auth to this system. #3 seems to be buzzwords with no substance? As far as I can tell, the only "problem" that "serverless" (i.e. Our Servers) solves is Amazon not monetizing everything ever.

jnty 8y ago
Quoting the price of a VPS totally misses the point - the cost is in finding one, setting it up with an environment somehow, monitoring it, making sure it stays patched and current over years and years... While you're busy figuring out what monitoring solution to use on your VPS to monitor the running all for the sake of a little Python script, I've already set up a lambda function and maybe set a cloudwatch alarm to look after it and can move on to the next thing and leave it running indefinitely. Depending on the usecase I might not even pay a penny during that time, either. I swear 90% of the hate for serverless purely stems from irritation at the name.
- isomorph 8y ago
  Hi - I couldn't find a way to contact you and was unable to reply in situ for some reason. Could you please say more about why you felt I had gratuitously editorialised the title to my latest submission? ( https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=isomorph https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=isomorph ) I have checked the definition of the word "editorialise: To present an opinion in the guise of an objective report." - I did not express any opinion in the title - I simply added context for those who don't know about the so-called "contaminated blood scandal" in the UK. Namely the three-letter detail I added was "HIV" i.e. that the UK's government-run National Health Service infected patients as young as 8 years old with HIV. This change was not gratuitous as it added essential context to the story. I have checked the Hacker News guidelines and since the article dispels myths people have about health systems, I felt it was pertinent.
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- scarface74 8y ago
  Quoting the price of a VPS totally misses the point - the cost is in finding one, setting it up with an environment somehow, monitoring it, making sure it stays patched and current over years and years... If you are spending that much time managing infrastructure on AWS, you’re doing it wrong. ElasticBeanstalk makes it dead simple. While you're busy figuring out what monitoring solution to use on your VPS to monitor the running all for the sake of a little Python script, I've already set up a lambda function and maybe set a cloudwatch alarm to look after it and can move on to the next thing and leave it running indefinitely. Depending on the usecase I might not even pay a penny during that time, either. And you can do the same with AWS and a bunch of micro instances. But if it’s that low volume, I would just host it myself. I swear 90% of the hate for serverless purely stems from irritation at the name. I love serverless for everything but APIs. But 90% of my hate for serverless is with APIs and the cold starts.
jk563 8y ago
Why spend $5 when you could spend $1? I've got a site running without using servers and it basically costs the R53 hosted zone cost as it's very low traffic. No servers to configure, no residential connection to potentially fall over, high durability. Why wouldn't I use it? Different use cases warrant different solutions.
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mrfredward 8y ago
>Or you can just run from a residential connection for effectively free if your service is _that_ small. Been there, done that. Buy a raspberry pi, install raspbian, install nginx, node, whatever the stack is gonna be, configure port forwarding on a router, spend hours to days getting it working. Have tons of downtime--oops you don't have a static ip, oops your sd card got corrupted, hey lets update this to the latest version oh no everything is broken...and on and on and on. Or, figure out how to use S3 buckets and lambda functions once, and from then on watch everything just work and cost virtually nothing. For small (I'm the only user) types of projects, I'll stick to serverless for now on, so I can be a programmer and not a sysadmin.
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jolmg 8y ago
> Or you can just run from a residential connection for effectively free if your service is _that_ small. Not gonna be possible soon, now that ISPs are starting to hand out private IPs to customers. That's going to keep happening until the world moves to IPv6.
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scarface74 8y ago
Or you can just run from a residential connection for effectively free if your service is _that_ small. This is very true. I’m an AWS true believer and I use most of the most popular features all of the time for work but for a low volume side project, I would host it on my own computer. I have 900Mbps upload bandwidth. If I were going to use AWS, I would use a cheap LoghtSail instance.

jnty 8y ago

Quoting the price of a VPS totally misses the point - the cost is in finding one, setting it up with an environment somehow, monitoring it, making sure it stays patched and current over years and years... While you're busy figuring out what monitoring solution to use on your VPS to monitor the running all for the sake of a little Python script, I've already set up a lambda function and maybe set a cloudwatch alarm to look after it and can move on to the next thing and leave it running indefinitely. Depending on the usecase I might not even pay a penny during that time, either. I swear 90% of the hate for serverless purely stems from irritation at the name.

isomorph 8y ago
Hi - I couldn't find a way to contact you and was unable to reply in situ for some reason. Could you please say more about why you felt I had gratuitously editorialised the title to my latest submission? ( https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=isomorph https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=isomorph ) I have checked the definition of the word "editorialise: To present an opinion in the guise of an objective report." - I did not express any opinion in the title - I simply added context for those who don't know about the so-called "contaminated blood scandal" in the UK. Namely the three-letter detail I added was "HIV" i.e. that the UK's government-run National Health Service infected patients as young as 8 years old with HIV. This change was not gratuitous as it added essential context to the story. I have checked the Hacker News guidelines and since the article dispels myths people have about health systems, I felt it was pertinent.
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scarface74 8y ago
Quoting the price of a VPS totally misses the point - the cost is in finding one, setting it up with an environment somehow, monitoring it, making sure it stays patched and current over years and years... If you are spending that much time managing infrastructure on AWS, you’re doing it wrong. ElasticBeanstalk makes it dead simple. While you're busy figuring out what monitoring solution to use on your VPS to monitor the running all for the sake of a little Python script, I've already set up a lambda function and maybe set a cloudwatch alarm to look after it and can move on to the next thing and leave it running indefinitely. Depending on the usecase I might not even pay a penny during that time, either. And you can do the same with AWS and a bunch of micro instances. But if it’s that low volume, I would just host it myself. I swear 90% of the hate for serverless purely stems from irritation at the name. I love serverless for everything but APIs. But 90% of my hate for serverless is with APIs and the cold starts.

jk563 8y ago

Why spend $5 when you could spend $1? I've got a site running without using servers and it basically costs the R53 hosted zone cost as it's very low traffic. No servers to configure, no residential connection to potentially fall over, high durability. Why wouldn't I use it? Different use cases warrant different solutions.

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mrfredward 8y ago

>Or you can just run from a residential connection for effectively free if your service is _that_ small. Been there, done that. Buy a raspberry pi, install raspbian, install nginx, node, whatever the stack is gonna be, configure port forwarding on a router, spend hours to days getting it working. Have tons of downtime--oops you don't have a static ip, oops your sd card got corrupted, hey lets update this to the latest version oh no everything is broken...and on and on and on. Or, figure out how to use S3 buckets and lambda functions once, and from then on watch everything just work and cost virtually nothing. For small (I'm the only user) types of projects, I'll stick to serverless for now on, so I can be a programmer and not a sysadmin.

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jolmg 8y ago

> Or you can just run from a residential connection for effectively free if your service is _that_ small. Not gonna be possible soon, now that ISPs are starting to hand out private IPs to customers. That's going to keep happening until the world moves to IPv6.

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scarface74 8y ago

Or you can just run from a residential connection for effectively free if your service is _that_ small. This is very true. I’m an AWS true believer and I use most of the most popular features all of the time for work but for a low volume side project, I would host it on my own computer. I have 900Mbps upload bandwidth. If I were going to use AWS, I would use a cheap LoghtSail instance.