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You got text you quoted from right wing media. He never said the words you wrote, and if you google them, you'll find they only appear in right wing media. I'm

You got text you quoted from right wing media. He never said the words you wrote, and if you google them, you'll find they only appear in right wing media. I'm not arguing for or against open borders. But I'm telling you Keith Ellison isn't arguing for what you think he is. >Legal immigrants have also have to wait in a queue and satisfy formalities. For 99% of the population there is no queue to wait in. >who are neither interested in following laws or awaiting their turn Again this is a right wing talking point. For the average person in Mexico, there is no turn. There isn't even a line to get in. >So national borders are not creating any injustice. You're arguing with a straw man. He never said that. He said that it's too easy for corporations to move between borders because of NAFTA (not frictionless, but too easy), and too hard for employees. That imbalance is what he's saying creates the injustice, not border security. >but you and I both know that certainly wasn't the case. I do know that it wasnt to support a rap group (also no need for scare quotes here--rap group is an accurate description.). I never said it was only or even partially to support the group itself. It was to show solidarity with a group of desperate poor people with an aspirational quote. You can believe and even advocate for a future world without borders as an aspirational goal, without believing that it's possible today or likely possible ever. Do you think Donald Trump's quote that we need to leave borders behind meant that he wants to just stop gaurding the border?

lenkite 8y ago
My last comment as I really don't like to talk about politics on HN. Speaking from an immigrant family - there are lot of procedures to formally migrate into the US. You need an immigrant visa for starters and this is not easy to get - you can be rejected for several reasons and need to reapply. Then you need to work towards getting a green card for at-least 5 years. There is a waiting list. You may not get your card for more than a decade - sometimes even 20 years!. So I do not understand what you mean by "99% of the population, there is NO queue to wait in". That doesn't make any sense to me at all. The only way there would be no queue if you hop the border and claim false refugee status. For folks who have had a long, long road to legal immigration into the states, this is very bitter pill. About Donald Trump - it obvious that he is a closed border/anti-immigrant politician. Thats the plank he ran on for office. His one misleading quote is offset by thousands/ten-thousands of his other statements in favour of reduced immigration. About a future world without borders - only possible when world-wide legal frameworks are in place, common law enforcement, similar systems of government and world-wide elections.
- learc83 8y ago
  You seem to be very misinformed because you are overgeneralizing your family's experience. I don't blame you, but you are very wrong and you need to research this yourself, because right now you are angry over an imaginary situation. >there are lot of procedures to formally migrate into the US. There are specialized visa for celebrities, athletes, people with extraordinary abilities, investors, refugees from certain countries, and qualified asylum seekers. Almost none of the of people in Mexico will qualify for these visas, and there is nothing they can do to change that. For everyone else in Mexico, there are 3* ways to immigrate to the US. 1. You have close family who are US citizens, who are willing to sponsor you. 2. You marry a US citizen. 3. You have an occupation that is in high demand, and you can find an employer to sponsor you. (For most professions the employer must also win one of a few slots in a visa lottery) For all of those categories except refuge and asylum, your family must make 1.5x above the federal poverty level for your family size including yourself (this disqualifies most of the Mexicans who do have family in the US), you must pass a Civil Surgeon exam, and a background check. If you don't fit into one of those categories there is no way for you to legally immigrate to the US. There is nothing you can do about it. There is no line to wait in. There is no immigration visa to apply for. When you see poor Mexican families crossing the border, it’s because they had absolutely no way to legally immigrate. Even if they waited 20 or even 50 years, they wouldn’t get in because there is no line, no process. >You need an immigrant visa for starters and this is not easy to get - you can be rejected for several reasons and need to reapply. Again unless you fit one of the above categories, and the vast majority of Mexicans do not, this does not exist. There is nothing to apply for. *There are also a small amount of diversity visas awarded each year in a lottery. People born in Mexico and most other large countries don't qualify for the diversity lottery.

lenkite 8y ago

My last comment as I really don't like to talk about politics on HN. Speaking from an immigrant family - there are lot of procedures to formally migrate into the US. You need an immigrant visa for starters and this is not easy to get - you can be rejected for several reasons and need to reapply. Then you need to work towards getting a green card for at-least 5 years. There is a waiting list. You may not get your card for more than a decade - sometimes even 20 years!. So I do not understand what you mean by "99% of the population, there is NO queue to wait in". That doesn't make any sense to me at all. The only way there would be no queue if you hop the border and claim false refugee status. For folks who have had a long, long road to legal immigration into the states, this is very bitter pill. About Donald Trump - it obvious that he is a closed border/anti-immigrant politician. Thats the plank he ran on for office. His one misleading quote is offset by thousands/ten-thousands of his other statements in favour of reduced immigration. About a future world without borders - only possible when world-wide legal frameworks are in place, common law enforcement, similar systems of government and world-wide elections.

learc83 8y ago
You seem to be very misinformed because you are overgeneralizing your family's experience. I don't blame you, but you are very wrong and you need to research this yourself, because right now you are angry over an imaginary situation. >there are lot of procedures to formally migrate into the US. There are specialized visa for celebrities, athletes, people with extraordinary abilities, investors, refugees from certain countries, and qualified asylum seekers. Almost none of the of people in Mexico will qualify for these visas, and there is nothing they can do to change that. For everyone else in Mexico, there are 3* ways to immigrate to the US. 1. You have close family who are US citizens, who are willing to sponsor you. 2. You marry a US citizen. 3. You have an occupation that is in high demand, and you can find an employer to sponsor you. (For most professions the employer must also win one of a few slots in a visa lottery) For all of those categories except refuge and asylum, your family must make 1.5x above the federal poverty level for your family size including yourself (this disqualifies most of the Mexicans who do have family in the US), you must pass a Civil Surgeon exam, and a background check. If you don't fit into one of those categories there is no way for you to legally immigrate to the US. There is nothing you can do about it. There is no line to wait in. There is no immigration visa to apply for. When you see poor Mexican families crossing the border, it’s because they had absolutely no way to legally immigrate. Even if they waited 20 or even 50 years, they wouldn’t get in because there is no line, no process. >You need an immigrant visa for starters and this is not easy to get - you can be rejected for several reasons and need to reapply. Again unless you fit one of the above categories, and the vast majority of Mexicans do not, this does not exist. There is nothing to apply for. *There are also a small amount of diversity visas awarded each year in a lottery. People born in Mexico and most other large countries don't qualify for the diversity lottery.