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As someone who has always loathed Wordpress and everything connected to it and its ecosystem, I've switched over a Wordpress install I—reluctantly—voluntarily m
by lucideer 8y ago
As someone who has always loathed Wordpress and everything connected to it and its ecosystem, I've switched over a Wordpress install I—reluctantly—voluntarily maintain in my spare time, and been extremely pleasantly surprised.
I've worked with Wordpress a lot over the years, so I'm very familiar with its inner workings: this is what's largely motivated me to avoid it when possible, and unfortunately prevented me from contributing to the project.
Given my initial reaction to Gutenberg, I'm imagining the community at large will hate it. The Wordpress community is one that champions amateur, dangerous, big-ball-of-mud software development, under the guise of being "beginner friendly" (where "beginner" = "not experienced enough to be leading clients to believe they can provide professional-grade solutions"). This is a mindset that favours hacks and tech debt. over refactoring, and Gutenberg is definitely going to force both plugin and theme developers to rethink, and rewrite their approach (in a positive way, imo).
If it successfully brings Wordpress out of the dark-ages, that's great obviously. If it makes Drupal more pleasant and easy-to-use for editors: also nice. If it kills Wordpress due to its community migrating away, then at least it could leave room for some more modern competitor.
I just hope the core devs don't do a U-turn on Gutenberg.
- scottybowl 8y agoIn a word: ClassicPress.. The community is already migrating
- scarecrowbob 8y agoI keep hearing folks say this, but it feels very astroturfed to me... I totally can be wrong about that feeling, but it's my feeling and I own it.
- shinoda 8y agoIronic you mention the astroturfing, as the person you replied to is the creator of ClassicPress ;) The creator likes to namedrop ClassicPress everywhere on the WP.org forums and WPTavern. He's had his posts removed from the wp.org forums due to spam too.
- photomatt 8y agoI was personally surprised to see my face as a "contributor" to ClassicPress, with a link to the Github contributors page that indeed shows my 1,900+ commits... to WordPress. https://camo.githubusercontent.com/5c2b13dae2a33eafd5eab9039ca379dd2e721fa6/68747470733a2f2f6f70656e636f6c6c6563746976652e636f6d2f636c617373696370726573732f636f6e7472696275746f72732e7376673f77696474683d38393026627574746f6e3d66616c7365 https://camo.githubusercontent.com/5c2b13dae2a33eafd5eab9039... https://github.com/ClassicPress/ClassicPress/graphs/contributors https://github.com/ClassicPress/ClassicPress/graphs/contribu... I think it's confusing to screenshot the faces of all the WP developers, put it on your project homepage, and say "This project exists thanks to all the people who contribute." WordPress itself started as a fork so I fully support the importance of forking, but there's a way to acknowledge WP contributors without making it look like we're endorsing your project. Thank you!