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So many people here shitting on this guy but it's going to be the future pretty much. Hell I have a GM truck and to add a front camera (for off roading) I'd hav

So many people here shitting on this guy but it's going to be the future pretty much. Hell I have a GM truck and to add a front camera (for off roading) I'd have to pay like $2,000 for a 480p camera... That said this guy is brave, not for the mod, but for posting pretty much all of the vin, the name of his car, and showing the color. Will not be hard for tesla to find it and blacklist charging, updates, parts, etc. Musk's ban hammer will be swift and harsh.

jonawesomegreen 8y ago
The ban hammer would be my concern posting this blog. He would probably get away with it if he didn't publicize it, but my understanding is Tesla has no problem banning cars that it deems unauthorized from receiving updates, using supercharging, etc.
- ryanlol 8y ago
  I’m not 100% sure but AFAIK tesla has done a really terrible job with the mechanisms they use to ban you from those.
- e1ven 8y ago
  That's such a weird sentence to read. The idea of buying a car and being afraid to modify it because of how the manufacturer might react feels entirely dystopian to me.
  - ethagknight 8y ago
    Banning it from continuing support and free services, kinda like voiding a warranty?
    - e1ven 8y ago
      Absolutely - In the US anyway, it's illegal to void a warranty because you modify the product. They don't need to cover any damage done by the modifications, but they can't deny warranty coverage to anything else. I'm not an expert, but I think the relevant law is the Magnuson-Moss Act.
  - ada1981 8y ago
    I wonder if Musk can autoban cars Via twitter. Also, I wonder if all Tesla’s have a God Mode that unlocks at the sound of Elons voice or will come get him if needed. So if he is ever running away from a villain in a major city he can access a getaway car anywhere he sees a Tesla.
    - rzzzt 8y ago
      He just talks into his watch and the cars nearby surround him in a circle.
  - olivermarks 8y ago
    'The idea of buying a car and being afraid to modify it because of how the manufacturer might react feels entirely dystopian to me' That is exactly where we have been going. for years if you remove the plastic engine cover on Porsches you risk voiding your rights. Now we have the capability of cars that phone home with unauthorized mods being made illegal at the DMV, made illegible for sw updates etc etc. This is another area where our digital rights to privacy and ownership are under serious assault, much like smart phone OS bricking. You own it but you don't have any rights.
joering2 8y ago
> Musk's ban hammer will be swift and harsh. A friend of mine is highly regarded engineer at one of electric car manufacturer. He supposed to be getting 8% corp discount for buying their vehicle. He doesnt so I asked him why since he’s so lucky. He told me eventually the day will come that local government or LE will force them to update their car’s OS to report continuesly on the speed you drive, similar to how tachometers work on trucks where cops stop you and can review your speed for the last 14 days you drove your rig nd either report you to your employee or guve you a retro-ticket for speeding. This update, he says will come and nothing you can do to stop it. I take my friend’s word very seriously although getting EV is as tempting as never before!
- bluesroo 8y ago
  I don't see how this is unique to EVs... Couldn't any car have this kind of tracking?
  - cptskippy 8y ago
    They already do. Most modern cars have what's effectively a black box data recorder in them. Unlike Tesla however, most cars cannot receive over the air updates and require you to take them to the dealership.
- Raz2 8y ago
  It makes more sense to prevent speeding by limiting max speed. And it would be a life saving change. I hope it happens sometimes.
  - giobox 8y ago
    Maybe I’m wrong, but passing laws to centrally limit top speeds in the car loving United States is probably only marginally easier for me to imagine passing than meaningful gun legislation. I think the car recording the historical data and the police using this as evidence is the much more likely future scenario. Let’s not forget speeding fines are a revenue generator... As for life saving, maybe, but I’d need to see a lot of evidence. Modern cars are vastly easier to drive and safer at speed than cars 40 years ago, but we still often keep largely the same speed limits. 155mph in your modern German luxury car practically feels serene.
olivermarks 8y ago
$2,000 for a 480p camera? seriously? i could buy one from Alipay/amazon and install it for $150~
- post_break 8y ago
  You're paying for GM to flash the ecu to give me a button on the display to output the camera on the built in screen. That's the gotcha part.
  - olivermarks 8y ago
    Nightmare.

jonawesomegreen 8y ago

The ban hammer would be my concern posting this blog. He would probably get away with it if he didn't publicize it, but my understanding is Tesla has no problem banning cars that it deems unauthorized from receiving updates, using supercharging, etc.

ryanlol 8y ago
I’m not 100% sure but AFAIK tesla has done a really terrible job with the mechanisms they use to ban you from those.
e1ven 8y ago
That's such a weird sentence to read. The idea of buying a car and being afraid to modify it because of how the manufacturer might react feels entirely dystopian to me.
- ethagknight 8y ago
  Banning it from continuing support and free services, kinda like voiding a warranty?
  - e1ven 8y ago
    Absolutely - In the US anyway, it's illegal to void a warranty because you modify the product. They don't need to cover any damage done by the modifications, but they can't deny warranty coverage to anything else. I'm not an expert, but I think the relevant law is the Magnuson-Moss Act.
- ada1981 8y ago
  I wonder if Musk can autoban cars Via twitter. Also, I wonder if all Tesla’s have a God Mode that unlocks at the sound of Elons voice or will come get him if needed. So if he is ever running away from a villain in a major city he can access a getaway car anywhere he sees a Tesla.
  - rzzzt 8y ago
    He just talks into his watch and the cars nearby surround him in a circle.
- olivermarks 8y ago
  'The idea of buying a car and being afraid to modify it because of how the manufacturer might react feels entirely dystopian to me' That is exactly where we have been going. for years if you remove the plastic engine cover on Porsches you risk voiding your rights. Now we have the capability of cars that phone home with unauthorized mods being made illegal at the DMV, made illegible for sw updates etc etc. This is another area where our digital rights to privacy and ownership are under serious assault, much like smart phone OS bricking. You own it but you don't have any rights.

joering2 8y ago

> Musk's ban hammer will be swift and harsh. A friend of mine is highly regarded engineer at one of electric car manufacturer. He supposed to be getting 8% corp discount for buying their vehicle. He doesnt so I asked him why since he’s so lucky. He told me eventually the day will come that local government or LE will force them to update their car’s OS to report continuesly on the speed you drive, similar to how tachometers work on trucks where cops stop you and can review your speed for the last 14 days you drove your rig nd either report you to your employee or guve you a retro-ticket for speeding. This update, he says will come and nothing you can do to stop it. I take my friend’s word very seriously although getting EV is as tempting as never before!

bluesroo 8y ago
I don't see how this is unique to EVs... Couldn't any car have this kind of tracking?
- cptskippy 8y ago
  They already do. Most modern cars have what's effectively a black box data recorder in them. Unlike Tesla however, most cars cannot receive over the air updates and require you to take them to the dealership.
Raz2 8y ago
It makes more sense to prevent speeding by limiting max speed. And it would be a life saving change. I hope it happens sometimes.
- giobox 8y ago
  Maybe I’m wrong, but passing laws to centrally limit top speeds in the car loving United States is probably only marginally easier for me to imagine passing than meaningful gun legislation. I think the car recording the historical data and the police using this as evidence is the much more likely future scenario. Let’s not forget speeding fines are a revenue generator... As for life saving, maybe, but I’d need to see a lot of evidence. Modern cars are vastly easier to drive and safer at speed than cars 40 years ago, but we still often keep largely the same speed limits. 155mph in your modern German luxury car practically feels serene.

olivermarks 8y ago

$2,000 for a 480p camera? seriously? i could buy one from Alipay/amazon and install it for $150~

post_break 8y ago
You're paying for GM to flash the ecu to give me a button on the display to output the camera on the built in screen. That's the gotcha part.
- olivermarks 8y ago
  Nightmare.