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Quite a bias article with a political axe to grind starting straight away with the title. I thought hyper-political articles weren't allowed here?

mo1ok 8y ago
Yeah this doesn’t belong on hacker news...
baldfat 8y ago
> political axe to grind starting straight away with the title Yes someone absolutely didn't read the article nor look at the examples of the paint remains found on the statues. > Incredibly bias article The reason the whole idea of color and whiteness was presented was to answer the question of why did people remove the color from the objects and why wasn't it common knowledge about how they were actually painted objects. Political against Alt-Right? I have a political ax to grind against Alt-Right and so should you.
- topang1 8y ago
  Are you trying to say a title including "The myth of whiteness" isn't trying to allude to something else? Injecting American ID pol onto non-Amercian cultures is incredibly toxic and colonial. > The reason the whole idea of color and whiteness was presented was to answer the question of why did people remove the color from the objects and why wasn't it common knowledge about how they were actually painted objects. This has been common knowledge for a long time - this article isn't really about that once you actually read through it. > Political against Alt-Right Facts have nothing to do with the Alt-Right they don't tend to like them, however using other people's history to take a shot at different political groups is gross it doesn't matter what side you're on.
  - Chazprime 8y ago
    I think perhaps you’ve been reading too much Breitbart?
    - topang1 8y ago
      Be real; you didn't actually read my comments at all, did you? Otherwise you wouldn't bother posting such an inane response; so void of any critical thinking you just post buzzwords you think will shut people up.
      - baldfat 8y ago
        Can someone flag this comment? I pointed out already that this is a newly created user and he is posting inflammatory comments and abusive language.
        topang1 8y ago
        'Abusive language' - are you gaslighting me? You are the only one who got personal when you aggressively called someone a 'coward'. Then I had a centrist accusing me of reading Breitbart when it's likely I'm far more left wing than either of you. Debate facts not people please, and stop responding to me like you're a robot filled with pre-programmed responses who's not actually been reading what I've wrote.
        baldfat 8y ago
        You created a new account and posted something that is calling something political bias when the bias is against alt-right and White Nationalist.
- lmm 8y ago
  > The reason the whole idea of color and whiteness was presented was to answer the question of why did people remove the color from the objects Extremely unconvincingly, though; the linguistic accident that we use the same word ("white") to describe a shade and an ethnicity is doing most of the rhetorical work. None of the reconstructions shown in the article looks particularly "non-white". Doesn't it seem more plausible that people removed traces of colours because, as even the article acknowledges, they make the statues look gaudy and childish?
  - iguy 8y ago
    It is a bit strange how the article veers between ethnicity and paint. I mean both are interesting, but the fact that we came to think of the naked marble of these statues as the canonical version seems largely unrelated to whether the greeks were, well, greek. (And to other questions, like how did their society think about these things, and how much has post-classical migration changed the makeup of the people living there. IIRC the African component of North-Africans has increased a bit.) There is one picture in TFA of an African-looking child. And interestingly they say that this effect was often conveyed by choosing to work in basalt, as well as painting with darker colors. I guess these must be fairly uncommon, I can't recall seeing any in museums?
    - yourbandsucks 8y ago
      The skin tone of Greeks themselves got a huge injection of germanic whiteness after Rome fell and the Italy was taken over by Lombards and Normans.
      - iguy 8y ago
        Indeed. And of course some of what was Greece has now became Turkey, and for which enough Turks must have shown up to switch the language... I don't know the current data here but I'm sure it's improving rapidly.
  - baldfat 8y ago
    It was a response to this research why there is a political tone: > She is not the only classicist who has been targeted by the so-called alt-right. Some white supremacists have been drawn to classical studies out of a desire to affirm what they imagine to be an unblemished lineage of white Western culture extending back to ancient Greece. > None of the reconstructions shown in the article looks particularly "non-white". Your mixing modern and ancient ideas. The issue is how the Greeks viewed pale skin. This is not about how they were not "white" but that in Ancient Greece there was no pro-bias for white over dark skin. "Nor did the Greeks conceive of race the way we do. Some of the ancients’ racial theories were derived from the Hippocratic idea of the humors. Rebecca Futo Kennedy, a classicist at Denison University, who writes on race and ethnicity, told me, “Cold weather made you stupid but also courageous, so that was what people from the Far North were supposed to be like. And the people they called Ethiopians were thought of as very smart but cowardly. It comes out of the medical tradition." "Pale skin on a woman was considered a sign of beauty and refinement, because it showed that she was privileged enough not to have to work outdoors. But a man with pale skin was considered unmasculine: bronzed skin was associated with the heroes who fought on battlefields and competed as athletes, naked, in amphitheatres."
baldfat 8y ago
TOPANG1 was created a minute before posting this comment. 1) Coward 2) Are we seeing this post from a political agent? 3) You knew it was wrong to post that.
- topang1 8y ago
  1) Don't name call, it's childish and rude 2) Yes I'm an undercover Russian spy here to manipulate your thoughts 3) Wrong to question a politically bias post on HackerNews? You are wrong to be so aggressive to people online

mo1ok 8y ago

Yeah this doesn’t belong on hacker news...

baldfat 8y ago

> political axe to grind starting straight away with the title Yes someone absolutely didn't read the article nor look at the examples of the paint remains found on the statues. > Incredibly bias article The reason the whole idea of color and whiteness was presented was to answer the question of why did people remove the color from the objects and why wasn't it common knowledge about how they were actually painted objects. Political against Alt-Right? I have a political ax to grind against Alt-Right and so should you.

topang1 8y ago
Are you trying to say a title including "The myth of whiteness" isn't trying to allude to something else? Injecting American ID pol onto non-Amercian cultures is incredibly toxic and colonial. > The reason the whole idea of color and whiteness was presented was to answer the question of why did people remove the color from the objects and why wasn't it common knowledge about how they were actually painted objects. This has been common knowledge for a long time - this article isn't really about that once you actually read through it. > Political against Alt-Right Facts have nothing to do with the Alt-Right they don't tend to like them, however using other people's history to take a shot at different political groups is gross it doesn't matter what side you're on.
- Chazprime 8y ago
  I think perhaps you’ve been reading too much Breitbart?
  - topang1 8y ago
    Be real; you didn't actually read my comments at all, did you? Otherwise you wouldn't bother posting such an inane response; so void of any critical thinking you just post buzzwords you think will shut people up.
    - baldfat 8y ago
      Can someone flag this comment? I pointed out already that this is a newly created user and he is posting inflammatory comments and abusive language.
      - topang1 8y ago
        'Abusive language' - are you gaslighting me? You are the only one who got personal when you aggressively called someone a 'coward'. Then I had a centrist accusing me of reading Breitbart when it's likely I'm far more left wing than either of you. Debate facts not people please, and stop responding to me like you're a robot filled with pre-programmed responses who's not actually been reading what I've wrote.
        baldfat 8y ago
        You created a new account and posted something that is calling something political bias when the bias is against alt-right and White Nationalist.
lmm 8y ago
> The reason the whole idea of color and whiteness was presented was to answer the question of why did people remove the color from the objects Extremely unconvincingly, though; the linguistic accident that we use the same word ("white") to describe a shade and an ethnicity is doing most of the rhetorical work. None of the reconstructions shown in the article looks particularly "non-white". Doesn't it seem more plausible that people removed traces of colours because, as even the article acknowledges, they make the statues look gaudy and childish?
- iguy 8y ago
  It is a bit strange how the article veers between ethnicity and paint. I mean both are interesting, but the fact that we came to think of the naked marble of these statues as the canonical version seems largely unrelated to whether the greeks were, well, greek. (And to other questions, like how did their society think about these things, and how much has post-classical migration changed the makeup of the people living there. IIRC the African component of North-Africans has increased a bit.) There is one picture in TFA of an African-looking child. And interestingly they say that this effect was often conveyed by choosing to work in basalt, as well as painting with darker colors. I guess these must be fairly uncommon, I can't recall seeing any in museums?
  - yourbandsucks 8y ago
    The skin tone of Greeks themselves got a huge injection of germanic whiteness after Rome fell and the Italy was taken over by Lombards and Normans.
    - iguy 8y ago
      Indeed. And of course some of what was Greece has now became Turkey, and for which enough Turks must have shown up to switch the language... I don't know the current data here but I'm sure it's improving rapidly.
- baldfat 8y ago
  It was a response to this research why there is a political tone: > She is not the only classicist who has been targeted by the so-called alt-right. Some white supremacists have been drawn to classical studies out of a desire to affirm what they imagine to be an unblemished lineage of white Western culture extending back to ancient Greece. > None of the reconstructions shown in the article looks particularly "non-white". Your mixing modern and ancient ideas. The issue is how the Greeks viewed pale skin. This is not about how they were not "white" but that in Ancient Greece there was no pro-bias for white over dark skin. "Nor did the Greeks conceive of race the way we do. Some of the ancients’ racial theories were derived from the Hippocratic idea of the humors. Rebecca Futo Kennedy, a classicist at Denison University, who writes on race and ethnicity, told me, “Cold weather made you stupid but also courageous, so that was what people from the Far North were supposed to be like. And the people they called Ethiopians were thought of as very smart but cowardly. It comes out of the medical tradition." "Pale skin on a woman was considered a sign of beauty and refinement, because it showed that she was privileged enough not to have to work outdoors. But a man with pale skin was considered unmasculine: bronzed skin was associated with the heroes who fought on battlefields and competed as athletes, naked, in amphitheatres."

baldfat 8y ago

TOPANG1 was created a minute before posting this comment. 1) Coward 2) Are we seeing this post from a political agent? 3) You knew it was wrong to post that.

topang1 8y ago
1) Don't name call, it's childish and rude 2) Yes I'm an undercover Russian spy here to manipulate your thoughts 3) Wrong to question a politically bias post on HackerNews? You are wrong to be so aggressive to people online