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those are all excuses that, in my opinion, causes one to ignore the progress over there. it's dangerous thinking. do you really think that tesla is as safe as o

those are all excuses that, in my opinion, causes one to ignore the progress over there. it's dangerous thinking. do you really think that tesla is as safe as other established car manufacturers? (i am aware of their "ratings", which i find hard to believe.) edit: and you can see my other reply or do a google search to see that china's car manufacturing revolution, including their massive and unparalleled surge into electric vehicles, is something one cannot simply write off. i don't know why people like you hold your opinions in the face of the history of brands like hyundai and kia. kia used to make terrible cars, but is now one of the top auto manufacturers in terms of value, execution, and design. just take a look at the new kia stinger and huge success of the optima model line.

SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
> i am aware of their "ratings", which i find hard to believe. Is this common among the anti-Tesla crowd? I think you're the first crash rating conspiracy theorist I've come across. If anything I'd assume that the organisations doing the testing would be deeply connected with traditional car manufacturers and that Tesla (as a newcomer) would actually be at a disadvantage. Perhaps you know something we don't?
- Faark 8y ago
  Some of Tesla's statements regarding safety were apparently a bit exaggerated, in the way advertising often hides fine print to tell you they are the absolute best. Non the less does Tesla seem focused on safety and I also haven't come across credible reports finding them unsafe, as GP is implying.
  - nikofeyn 8y ago
    i didn't imply they were unsafe. i said i felt they weren't as safe. for example, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety rates the model s below the kia optima, which was landed their top safety rating. i simply call into question elon musk simply claiming they are the safest car ever and the fact that everyone seems to buy into that. there are a lot of stories and examples of hurried and amateur designs at tesla, including examples from teardowns of the vehicles. i simply have a hard time believing that "the best ever" safety emerges from such stressed processes at tesla.
rconti 8y ago
I have not ignored the progress made 'over there'. I recently rode in a JAC S5 and a Great Wall sedan (I forgot the model). I never said they wouldn't be able to catch up, I said they would not be able to sell in the US today for many reasons, one of which is the small size of the US market compared to the domestic market. I'm not sure why i'm still typing, I'm just restating what was clearly apparent in my original comment that you ignored. I'm sorry you're not willing to believe a thing called 'data'. Yes, I believe Tesla vehicles are precisely as safe as the results show they perform on the various crash tests. Crash tests that every automaker designs their cars to perform well on. Crash tests whose parameters every automaker knows full well.

SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago

> i am aware of their "ratings", which i find hard to believe. Is this common among the anti-Tesla crowd? I think you're the first crash rating conspiracy theorist I've come across. If anything I'd assume that the organisations doing the testing would be deeply connected with traditional car manufacturers and that Tesla (as a newcomer) would actually be at a disadvantage. Perhaps you know something we don't?

Faark 8y ago
Some of Tesla's statements regarding safety were apparently a bit exaggerated, in the way advertising often hides fine print to tell you they are the absolute best. Non the less does Tesla seem focused on safety and I also haven't come across credible reports finding them unsafe, as GP is implying.
- nikofeyn 8y ago
  i didn't imply they were unsafe. i said i felt they weren't as safe. for example, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety rates the model s below the kia optima, which was landed their top safety rating. i simply call into question elon musk simply claiming they are the safest car ever and the fact that everyone seems to buy into that. there are a lot of stories and examples of hurried and amateur designs at tesla, including examples from teardowns of the vehicles. i simply have a hard time believing that "the best ever" safety emerges from such stressed processes at tesla.

rconti 8y ago

I have not ignored the progress made 'over there'. I recently rode in a JAC S5 and a Great Wall sedan (I forgot the model). I never said they wouldn't be able to catch up, I said they would not be able to sell in the US today for many reasons, one of which is the small size of the US market compared to the domestic market. I'm not sure why i'm still typing, I'm just restating what was clearly apparent in my original comment that you ignored. I'm sorry you're not willing to believe a thing called 'data'. Yes, I believe Tesla vehicles are precisely as safe as the results show they perform on the various crash tests. Crash tests that every automaker designs their cars to perform well on. Crash tests whose parameters every automaker knows full well.