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Russia has "destabilized" the US? That is hyperbole at best, unless you know something I don't. What exactly are you referring to? They seem to have destabil

Russia has "destabilized" the US? That is hyperbole at best, unless you know something I don't. What exactly are you referring to? They seem to have destabilized the US media, in the sense that they can't publish enough stories about Russia. But have they actually achieved anything in any real way?

jacobsheehy 8y ago
Russia actively attacks US election infrastructure. This is not an unknown thing, it is well-documented over the last few years and is happening right now. Yes, Russia has "destabilized" the US. Our elections were hacked with both real physical hacks and lies-at-scale through sophisticated propaganda. People are dying in the streets from the actions taken by violent right-wing people who are directly encouraged by language from RT and from the President. This is not some fantasy of fear, this is the real deal. The US has a major political stability problem, where the party in power has made it clear they do not respect elections, will not respect the outcome if they lose, constantly gather support to jail people who have committed no crimes, etc. Yes, Russia, through its hacking, violence, and other election fuckery, has destabilized the US. If you "don't know" this stuff, then you haven't been paying attention for the last few years. None of this is a disputable conspiracy, it's just facts. Sad facts. :(
- downandout 8y ago
  There are so many issues with your comment that I don't know where to begin, but I won't bother addressing all of them because it will just devolve into typical Hn-ness. I will address the more egregious misstatements you have made. Russia actively attacks US election infrastructure Running a few ads, with a small budget, or having some fake Twitter accounts post things that millions of others are already saying, in my view does not constitute an "attack on the US election infrastructure". Our elections were hacked with...real physical hacks That would be news indeed. Source? People are dying in the streets from the actions taken by violent right-wing people who are directly encouraged by language from RT and from the President Source? constantly gather support to jail people who have committed no crimes Source? Please name one person currently in jail in the US that has not been convicted of a crime and does not have a criminal case pending. Again, that would indeed be news.
  - jacobsheehy 8y ago
    > There are so many issues with your comment that I don't know where to begin, but I won't bother addressing all of them because it will just devolve into typical Hn-ness. But I will address the more egregious misstatements you have made. There's no need to insult me to start with. Please abide by the HN guidelines and do not just start insulting people. Let's just talk about all this and get right to the content: > Running a few ads, with a small budget, or having some fake Twitter accounts post things that millions of others are already saying, in my view does not constitute an "attack on the US election infrastructure". I don't know what you're talking about. I'm talking about specifically hacking the voting infrastructure and removing voters from the voting rolls. You're going on about ads or something with a small budget (???) but I have no idea what you're talking about. Here is a citation that Russia directly hacks the elections themselves: https://slate.com/technology/2018/07/russia-election-hacking-muellers-latest-indictment-suggests-it-could-be-even-more-damaging-next-time.html https://slate.com/technology/2018/07/russia-election-hacking... > That would be news indeed. Source? Oh yeah, that is the biggest news of the last two years. I picked a source and cited it. > Source? Well, Heather Heyer was murdered in this fashion. > constantly gather support to jail people who have committed no crimes Well Beto for one! Ted Cruz trying to drum up support to jail Beto O'Rourke last night was wild. Scary and sad :(
    - AnimalMuppet 8y ago
      > You're going on about ads or something with a small budget (???) but I have no idea what you're talking about. The amount of money Russia spent on Facebook ads. > Well, Heather Heyer was murdered in this fashion. That was tragic. Evil, even. But you said "People are dying in the streets from the actions taken by violent right-wing people", and when pressed for evidence, you cite the only instance that has happened in two years. But you claimed more than that. You claimed "people" (plural) "are" (present tense). You have dramatically overstated a real, horrible, but still one-off instance into a general trend. > Well Beto for one! Ted Cruz trying to drum up support to jail Beto O'Rourke last night was wild. Scary and sad :( Ted Cruz is trying to drum up support for getting re-elected, nothing more. (You've seen this before. Note that Hillary remains completely un-locked-up.) It's sad, all right, that Cruz would use this tactic. But Beto isn't going to jail, win or lose, unless he actually does something, no matter what Cruz says in a campaign situation.

jacobsheehy 8y ago

Russia actively attacks US election infrastructure. This is not an unknown thing, it is well-documented over the last few years and is happening right now. Yes, Russia has "destabilized" the US. Our elections were hacked with both real physical hacks and lies-at-scale through sophisticated propaganda. People are dying in the streets from the actions taken by violent right-wing people who are directly encouraged by language from RT and from the President. This is not some fantasy of fear, this is the real deal. The US has a major political stability problem, where the party in power has made it clear they do not respect elections, will not respect the outcome if they lose, constantly gather support to jail people who have committed no crimes, etc. Yes, Russia, through its hacking, violence, and other election fuckery, has destabilized the US. If you "don't know" this stuff, then you haven't been paying attention for the last few years. None of this is a disputable conspiracy, it's just facts. Sad facts. :(

downandout 8y ago
There are so many issues with your comment that I don't know where to begin, but I won't bother addressing all of them because it will just devolve into typical Hn-ness. I will address the more egregious misstatements you have made. Russia actively attacks US election infrastructure Running a few ads, with a small budget, or having some fake Twitter accounts post things that millions of others are already saying, in my view does not constitute an "attack on the US election infrastructure". Our elections were hacked with...real physical hacks That would be news indeed. Source? People are dying in the streets from the actions taken by violent right-wing people who are directly encouraged by language from RT and from the President Source? constantly gather support to jail people who have committed no crimes Source? Please name one person currently in jail in the US that has not been convicted of a crime and does not have a criminal case pending. Again, that would indeed be news.
- jacobsheehy 8y ago
  > There are so many issues with your comment that I don't know where to begin, but I won't bother addressing all of them because it will just devolve into typical Hn-ness. But I will address the more egregious misstatements you have made. There's no need to insult me to start with. Please abide by the HN guidelines and do not just start insulting people. Let's just talk about all this and get right to the content: > Running a few ads, with a small budget, or having some fake Twitter accounts post things that millions of others are already saying, in my view does not constitute an "attack on the US election infrastructure". I don't know what you're talking about. I'm talking about specifically hacking the voting infrastructure and removing voters from the voting rolls. You're going on about ads or something with a small budget (???) but I have no idea what you're talking about. Here is a citation that Russia directly hacks the elections themselves: https://slate.com/technology/2018/07/russia-election-hacking-muellers-latest-indictment-suggests-it-could-be-even-more-damaging-next-time.html https://slate.com/technology/2018/07/russia-election-hacking... > That would be news indeed. Source? Oh yeah, that is the biggest news of the last two years. I picked a source and cited it. > Source? Well, Heather Heyer was murdered in this fashion. > constantly gather support to jail people who have committed no crimes Well Beto for one! Ted Cruz trying to drum up support to jail Beto O'Rourke last night was wild. Scary and sad :(
  - AnimalMuppet 8y ago
    > You're going on about ads or something with a small budget (???) but I have no idea what you're talking about. The amount of money Russia spent on Facebook ads. > Well, Heather Heyer was murdered in this fashion. That was tragic. Evil, even. But you said "People are dying in the streets from the actions taken by violent right-wing people", and when pressed for evidence, you cite the only instance that has happened in two years. But you claimed more than that. You claimed "people" (plural) "are" (present tense). You have dramatically overstated a real, horrible, but still one-off instance into a general trend. > Well Beto for one! Ted Cruz trying to drum up support to jail Beto O'Rourke last night was wild. Scary and sad :( Ted Cruz is trying to drum up support for getting re-elected, nothing more. (You've seen this before. Note that Hillary remains completely un-locked-up.) It's sad, all right, that Cruz would use this tactic. But Beto isn't going to jail, win or lose, unless he actually does something, no matter what Cruz says in a campaign situation.