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I can't speak for anyone else, but I think Tesla is fine. But I think Musk is a bit of a wanker and I have an allergic reaction to the hero-worship that's grow

I can't speak for anyone else, but I think Tesla is fine. But I think Musk is a bit of a wanker and I have an allergic reaction to the hero-worship that's grown around him.

eloff 8y ago
Musk has his faults for sure, and he really needs some people reviewing his twitter posts before they go live. But I find it amusing that people are so quick to point out his faults and criticize the guy when he's accomplished more in his life to date than any single one of his critics, with at most a couple exceptions, like Bezos. Basically if he's a wanker, what's that make you? I don't think it's fallacious reasoning here at all to say that. Basically your standards for a non-wanker must be so high as to include almost nobody. I'm not just talking about his financial success, I'm talking about changing the world for the better with his companies, for raising 5 children, etc. The guy has his faults, but so do we all. If he's a wanker, than really who isn't?
- jacques_chester 8y ago
  > If he's a wanker, than really who isn't? In my estimation, most people are not wankers. I think we have different estimations. And accomplishment is not a defense against wankerdom.
- nemo846 8y ago
  I utterly hate the cult of personality around him. It makes any kind of discussion impossible. Look at the person you relied to, his post is already grey. The guy is kind of a wanker: https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-starter-wife/ https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-start... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/aug/29/elon-musk-doubles-down-on-pedo-claims-against-uk-cave-diver https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/aug/29/elon-musk... Everyone just give him a free pass which is bullshit. Personally I think the guy is a narcissist given how much he loves attention. Like most narcissists he will shit on you if you get in his way, right and wrong be damned - something to keep in mind.
  - dang 8y ago
    Regardless of how you feel about this person or any other, would you please not post uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments to HN? We're trying for better than this here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - nemo846 8y ago
      Unsubstantiated? I even posted links. So all we are suppose to do is sing his praises on this site?
      - dang 8y ago
        Unsubstantive, which on HN means void of intellectual interest. Your comment was an example of the kind of internet rant we don't want here. On this site, please neither sing praises nor vent ragefully. Both are boring.
wonderwonder 8y ago
Its similar to if Edison, Bell or Einstein had a twitter account. You are watching the world change due to the drive of a single person. I find it fascinating. End of the day, the guy is human with all the flaws that come with that, but he is also operating on a level matched by only a few today. I don't have to want to be friends with the guy to be amazed at what he is doing and to admire the effort he is putting forth.
dang 8y ago
Can you please not take HN threads into tedious flamewars? Of all the stupid loops we get into, Musk Mania—hate him, love him, boo, yay—is about the stupidest. It's worse than bickering about Spiderman.
- Flenser 8y ago
  Spider-man is hyphenated. (sorry)
- jacques_chester 8y ago
  I can't really answer the implicit or explicit question of "what have you got against Tesla?", or the accusation of being emotional, without bringing in an alternative. Which makes it difficult to have the discussion about Tesla-as-Tesla. Admitting that I have an emotional reaction to an individual is the honest response. My policy, in your position, would be to just ban Tesla posts. When a conversation topic becomes repetitively boring, I ban it, as there are plenty of places to discuss Tesla or Elon Musk or any other topic.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I think Tesla is fine. But I think Musk is a bit of a wanker and I have an allergic reaction to the hero-worship that's grown around him.

eloff 8y ago

Musk has his faults for sure, and he really needs some people reviewing his twitter posts before they go live. But I find it amusing that people are so quick to point out his faults and criticize the guy when he's accomplished more in his life to date than any single one of his critics, with at most a couple exceptions, like Bezos. Basically if he's a wanker, what's that make you? I don't think it's fallacious reasoning here at all to say that. Basically your standards for a non-wanker must be so high as to include almost nobody. I'm not just talking about his financial success, I'm talking about changing the world for the better with his companies, for raising 5 children, etc. The guy has his faults, but so do we all. If he's a wanker, than really who isn't?

jacques_chester 8y ago
> If he's a wanker, than really who isn't? In my estimation, most people are not wankers. I think we have different estimations. And accomplishment is not a defense against wankerdom.
nemo846 8y ago
I utterly hate the cult of personality around him. It makes any kind of discussion impossible. Look at the person you relied to, his post is already grey. The guy is kind of a wanker: https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-starter-wife/ https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-start... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/aug/29/elon-musk-doubles-down-on-pedo-claims-against-uk-cave-diver https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/aug/29/elon-musk... Everyone just give him a free pass which is bullshit. Personally I think the guy is a narcissist given how much he loves attention. Like most narcissists he will shit on you if you get in his way, right and wrong be damned - something to keep in mind.
- dang 8y ago
  Regardless of how you feel about this person or any other, would you please not post uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments to HN? We're trying for better than this here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - nemo846 8y ago
    Unsubstantiated? I even posted links. So all we are suppose to do is sing his praises on this site?
    - dang 8y ago
      Unsubstantive, which on HN means void of intellectual interest. Your comment was an example of the kind of internet rant we don't want here. On this site, please neither sing praises nor vent ragefully. Both are boring.

wonderwonder 8y ago

Its similar to if Edison, Bell or Einstein had a twitter account. You are watching the world change due to the drive of a single person. I find it fascinating. End of the day, the guy is human with all the flaws that come with that, but he is also operating on a level matched by only a few today. I don't have to want to be friends with the guy to be amazed at what he is doing and to admire the effort he is putting forth.

dang 8y ago

Can you please not take HN threads into tedious flamewars? Of all the stupid loops we get into, Musk Mania—hate him, love him, boo, yay—is about the stupidest. It's worse than bickering about Spiderman.

Flenser 8y ago
Spider-man is hyphenated. (sorry)
jacques_chester 8y ago
I can't really answer the implicit or explicit question of "what have you got against Tesla?", or the accusation of being emotional, without bringing in an alternative. Which makes it difficult to have the discussion about Tesla-as-Tesla. Admitting that I have an emotional reaction to an individual is the honest response. My policy, in your position, would be to just ban Tesla posts. When a conversation topic becomes repetitively boring, I ban it, as there are plenty of places to discuss Tesla or Elon Musk or any other topic.