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One thing to consider that an analyst pointed out. Telsa has alot of net 60 and 90 and 120 day relationships with suppliers, but gets paid from car sales much
by chollida1 8y ago
One thing to consider that an analyst pointed out. Telsa has alot of net 60 and 90 and 120 day relationships with suppliers, but gets paid from car sales much quicker. This means that they can "financially engineer" quarters to make their cash flow look much better than it would if the payment periods were all net 30.
Pre Close:
- bit of a perfect storm for Tesla to make a profit
- Model X ramp up spend is mostly done, Model Y ramp up spend hasn't really started yet.
- Model Y ramp up could be $250 million/quarter drag
- Started selling dual motor Model X, more than single motor, (probalby push for more expensive cars first to try and get profitable)
- this will mean we'll ahve to watch per car margins going forward as less profitable models are rolled out.
- Solar weighing on results, Spent 2 Billion to buy Solar City, and assumed alot of debt in the transaction
- solar installations have fallen through the floor since then,
- Tesla is no longer largest solar company in the US
- with multiple layoffs in Solar City division
- The Model 3 outsold all but four sedans in the U.S. last quarter.
- Tesla Junk Bonds trading at 86 cents on dollar, an 8% Yield, not too spicy, probably means bond market expects to be paid off in cash not shares.
- Good quote from car analyst
"So Tesla going from 0% to 1% U.S. market share and not profitable or cash-flow positive for the ytd -- `Yay, Tesla!' -- but let's not get crazy. This is still a niche brand building vehicles by hand in a tent."
Numbers:
- 3Q Adj EPS $2.90, Est. Loss/Shr 15c
- 3Q revenue $6.82 billion, estimate $6.31 billion
- 3Q capex $510.3 million, estimate $612.9 million
- 3Q adj. automotive gross margin +25.5%, estimate +19.5% (BD
- 3Q Free Cash Flow $881.0M, Est. $280.0M holy shit that's incredible
- Tesla has made money!!! net income of $300 million, now can they show that they didn't just cook the books for a quarter?
- back to 3 Billion of cash in the bank
- even without ZEV(Zero emission credits) Tesla would still be well into the black
Misc:
- 15 days of inventory, for Model 3, about a quarter of what other companies have
- building an average of 4,300 Model 3's per week
- labour hours are down on the assembly line by 30%
- little under 20% of Model 3 pre orders have cancelled
- Musk said he wants to start producing cars in China next year, this is a put up or shut-up situation as they've sat on the factory and done nothing since announcing it.
- China acceleration seems to be pretty darn Tariff driven
AutoPilot:
- now on software upgrade 9.0, which can change lanes and exit highways on its own.
- aerovistae 8y ago> theyv'e sat on the factory and done nothing since announcing it What? They only just announced it a few months ago. Jesus... "why haven't you colonized the moon yet, it's been a decade you've been working on this and you have nothing to show"
- foobaw 8y agoit seems like you post negative comments on anything Tesla related. Any motivations?
- chollida1 8y agoReally? I'm a pretty big Tesla fan and shareholder. I think almost everything I post is pretty darn neutral. I mean this entire post is just facts and my guesses as to what the numbers mean:)
- threeseed 8y agoWho cares ? His comment is insightful and factual.
- compcoffee 8y agoYou post baseless accusations. Any motivations?
- rconti 8y agoI thought it was pretty useful and even-handed.
- dang 8y agoThis breaks the site guidelines and we ban accounts that do it. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules from now on.
- gvhst 8y agoI take issue with your market share comment. You are referring to an installed base of 1%. Market share is a sales based number, which according to the document the Model 3 is the number 1 selling car in America by revenue over the last quarter.