I’m certainly not blaming a framework for lack of discipline. I’m saying that lack of discipline breeds a framework to try and control the lack of discipline wh

I’m certainly not blaming a framework for lack of discipline. I’m saying that lack of discipline breeds a framework to try and control the lack of discipline whereas the problem of discipline should be resolved first. When you retrofit a process over an undisciplined team you end up with organised chaos which people think is the status quo. At the same time your product burns but the paperwork says otherwise. If you have a disciplined team they tend to self organise a process that works within the constraints of the business rather than a specific approach. Very few disciplined professionals out there which is why the software industry is a mess.